The thing is stuff doesn't get scrubbed like that. Stuff disappears because nobody cares to maintain it or because the owner wants to scrub it. If the data was important why don't the anti-vax people maintain it?? This doesn't pass the sanity test.Part of what you say may be true, but that doesn't mean that everyone who has an issue with vaccines is necessarily wrong. I am surprised that these strange beliefs are clumped together with vaccines. It really puts a bad spin on anyone who questions the safety and efficacy of vaccines at all because you're given loony status. Unfortunately, many sites that focus on vaccines specifically have been scrubbed off the internet. You can find nothing on any search engine other than the benefits, and very little about the drawbacks, so you're stuck with the few sites that offer a different side to this issue, where everyone gets a say.She sounds very delusional. Sad.
These exercises should tell you something about the website. Her deal is that she's raking in cash money from vulnerable people. The links to her info and videos are provided from childrenshealthdefense.org. The "scientific" (crazy) content is being approved by the site and the science officer has a hand in much of that. That's Brian Hopper, one of the studies' authors you had posted where the study got retracted. It's all very untrustworthy from a combination of delusional people and people trying to make a buck and their poor, vulnerable followers.
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To refute a theory you need to show new evidence.
Not a bunch of emotional pleas.
But that's how you are acting.
The point is if there is no ability to falsify there is no value.
Have you forgotten that claim has been proven fictional?
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Some said 2023, 2003, and 1997. It's all over the place. Is that AI hallucinating?
I understand what you're saying, but wouldn't you be cautious until there is further proof that aluminum along with all the other adjuvants are safe in the doses given and in combination? I would have do much more research to make sure that in trying to prevent one illness, other conditions wouldn't crop up. Can you honestly say there are no studies that connect vaccines with asthma and other autoimmune conditions? It would be a big relief to parents if they knew that nothing in vaccines could cause unsuspecting health conditions down the road.
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You mean the claim that the vaccines can cause autism? There are lots of testimonials that tell a different story. Again, would you look at these desperate people who saw a cause/effect reaction, and tell them they are lying or are wrong in what they saw because the studies tell them that it couldn't be true? If somebody was a witness to a stabbing, would you tell them that the studies said that it wasn't the knife that killed the person; the study said that knives don't normally do this, so it couldn't be the cause?
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Doing so is basically her entire epistemology in a nutshell.
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Just because something is proven true or false does not mean it is really true or false.
Just because something is proven true or false does not mean it is really true or false.
And a Tesla isn't a car because it doesn't use gasoline.
Fundamentally, a vaccine is a mock bad guy that gives your body practice at responding to the real bad guy so you'll do so faster when you encounter the real one. It doesn't matter one bit that an mRNA vaccine has your body produce said mock bad guy, it's still giving you a mock battle and thus it's a vaccine.
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The research and implementation has been ongoing for nearly 100 years. Where have you been? Not up to speed? Do you still not understand that we routinely absorb more aluminum through air, water, food, and the skin than we will in a lifetime of vaccines? Do you read? Can you read?
YOU would have to do more research? What research have YOU done? Apart from quoting bullshit from internet grifters?
None that I am aware of. Do you have “studies” showing such, apart from BS from grifters, which are not studies at all?
It would a big relief if internet grifters would STFU. Not that you would care. You are immune to understanding the simplest concepts, such that it is not logically possible for light to take time to reach the eye yet at the same time be at the eye instantly.
You are mixing up the date of the powerpoint with the date of what it references.Some said 2023, 2003, and 1997. It's all over the place. Is that AI hallucinating?
No, I see no reason for caution.
We can see the reality: vaccines made the death rate plunge, this shows up in life expectancy. As before, all-cause mortality is the king of data, life expectancy is a form of measuring all cause mortality. Where is the supposed health problem that nobody can describe and which doesn't kill people??
Is there an elephant (an unknown vaccine problem) here in Nevada? There does not appear to be but I can't rule out a truck passing through or the like.
Is there an elephant (an unknown vaccine problem that goes contrary to mortality data) here in my living room? There wasn't 5 minutes ago and I have no door that would reasonably pass an elephant.
Read again.You mean the claim that the vaccines can cause autism? There are lots of testimonials that tell a different story. Again, would you look at these desperate people who saw a cause/effect reaction, and tell them they are lying or are wrong in what they saw because the studies tell them that it couldn't be true? If somebody was a witness to a stabbing, would you tell them that the studies said that it wasn't the knife that killed the person; the study said that knives don't normally do this, so it couldn't be the cause?
You just claimed "change dramatically right before their eyes"--but it's been shown that it was a week between the events. You ever watch your baby for 168 hours straight?? Just because there is a kernel of truth does not make the whole thing true.
And it's more like walking up to a stabbing and deciding the piece of sandpaper there isn't the murder weapon.
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The connection between the knife and the murder cannot be ruled out because the sighting was more than circumstantial. If the vaccinated reach a critical mass, why does it matter to you what the parents who don't want their children vaccinated do, when they can't give your children the disease, if your children are vaccinated? These parents are not monsters, and their children are healthy. It's a win-win.Read again.You mean the claim that the vaccines can cause autism? There are lots of testimonials that tell a different story. Again, would you look at these desperate people who saw a cause/effect reaction, and tell them they are lying or are wrong in what they saw because the studies tell them that it couldn't be true? If somebody was a witness to a stabbing, would you tell them that the studies said that it wasn't the knife that killed the person; the study said that knives don't normally do this, so it couldn't be the cause?
You just claimed "change dramatically right before their eyes"--but it's been shown that it was a week between the events. You ever watch your baby for 168 hours straight?? Just because there is a kernel of truth does not make the whole thing true.
And it's more like walking up to a stabbing and deciding the piece of sandpaper there isn't the murder weapon.
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I realize I was being too harsh in saying sandpaper.The connection between the knife and the murder cannot be ruled out because the sighting was more than circumstantial. If the vaccinated reach a critical mass, why does it matter to you what the parents who don't want their children vaccinated do, when they can't give your children the disease, if your children are vaccinated? These parents are not monsters, and their children are healthy. It's a win-win.Read again.You mean the claim that the vaccines can cause autism? There are lots of testimonials that tell a different story. Again, would you look at these desperate people who saw a cause/effect reaction, and tell them they are lying or are wrong in what they saw because the studies tell them that it couldn't be true? If somebody was a witness to a stabbing, would you tell them that the studies said that it wasn't the knife that killed the person; the study said that knives don't normally do this, so it couldn't be the cause?
You just claimed "change dramatically right before their eyes"--but it's been shown that it was a week between the events. You ever watch your baby for 168 hours straight?? Just because there is a kernel of truth does not make the whole thing true.
And it's more like walking up to a stabbing and deciding the piece of sandpaper there isn't the murder weapon.
Officer, I don't understand why you think I killed this guy. That guy has been stabbed and this tool I'm holding is a bandsaw. Sure, it probably could kill someone, but it goes cut, cut, cut, there's no way to make it go poke.
(In case you are not familiar with the tool: https://www.dewalt.com/en-us/products/power-tools/saws/band-saws )
Brain Worm's reaction to being slapped down by the court:
arstechnica.com
Rewrite the rules so people don't have to be qualified.
After court loss, RFK Jr. gives himself more power over CDC vaccine panel
The charter renewal gives Kennedy broad authority to pick anyone for the panel.
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Rewrite the rules so people don't have to be qualified.
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Everything you said makes sense. If it's true that no elephant can pass through your door in Nevada, I would assume it wouldn't pass through any door in any state in a first-world country. The only caveat I see is that the latest vaccine schedule --- which adds a lot more combination risks) has not been tested in terms of the mortality incidence rate. Am I overreaching?You are mixing up the date of the powerpoint with the date of what it references.Some said 2023, 2003, and 1997. It's all over the place. Is that AI hallucinating?
No, I see no reason for caution.
We can see the reality: vaccines made the death rate plunge, this shows up in life expectancy. As before, all-cause mortality is the king of data, life expectancy is a form of measuring all cause mortality. Where is the supposed health problem that nobody can describe and which doesn't kill people??
Is there an elephant (an unknown vaccine problem) here in Nevada? There does not appear to be but I can't rule out a truck passing through or the like.
Is there an elephant (an unknown vaccine problem that goes contrary to mortality data) here in my living room? There wasn't 5 minutes ago and I have no door that would reasonably pass an elephant.
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What paper, have you cited the title of the paper, have you provided a direct link to the paper, have you read the paper to understand its context? Is there some reason that the slides do not contain the title, a direct link, or give the context to you? Are they trying to mislead you and others?
Hint: The fact that no title is provided, no link, no volume number, and not a specific date, just a month and year should be troubling because they are creating a barrier to find the quote in context. While it is entirely possible that the paper does not exist since we have no direct link to it only this presentation and then many other websites and people have repeated the same quote from this presentation, it probably does exist but could it be about something other than injection into muscles? Aluminum (as an adjuvant) is designed to stay at the injection site in the muscle and be released slowly into the bloodstream.
Since you will not know how to find the original, I have found it for you:
Here is the specific section in context:
The FDA was concerned with children eating antiperspirants, especially if the child had impaired kidney function. Applying the antiperspirant topically and especially eating it is a different method of delivery than injection into a muscle. Unlike accidental ingestion--where aluminum passes unabsorbed through the digestive tract--vaccine aluminum is injected into the muscle to create a "depot" that remains at the site of injection. This delivery method is specifically designed to release the aluminum into the bloodstream at a very slow, controlled rate over several weeks rather than all at once. This gradual release ensures that the concentration in the blood remains well within the clearance capacity of an infant's kidneys, preventing the systemic "loading" that the FDA has been concerned about in other contexts: infant IV fluids and accidental poisoning.
In vivo absorption of aluminium-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al
Updated aluminum pharmacokinetics following infant exposures through diet and vaccination - PubMed
Aluminum is a ubiquitous element that is released naturally into the environment via volcanic activity and the breakdown of rocks on the earth's surface. Exposure of the general population to aluminum occurs primarily through the consumption of food, antacids, and buffered analgesics. Exposure...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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So why doesn't this give the new CDC panel assurances that aluminum is safe in the amounts given?
What paper, have you cited the title of the paper, have you provided a direct link to the paper, have you read the paper to understand its context? Is there some reason that the slides do not contain the title, a direct link, or give the context to you? Are they trying to mislead you and others?
Hint: The fact that no title is provided, no link, no volume number, and not a specific date, just a month and year should be troubling because they are creating a barrier to find the quote in context. While it is entirely possible that the paper does not exist since we have no direct link to it only this presentation and then many other websites and people have repeated the same quote from this presentation, it probably does exist but could it be about something other than injection into muscles? Aluminum (as an adjuvant) is designed to stay at the injection site in the muscle and be released slowly into the bloodstream.
Since you will not know how to find the original, I have found it for you:
Here is the specific section in context:
The FDA was concerned with children eating antiperspirants, especially if the child had impaired kidney function. Applying the antiperspirant topically and especially eating it is a different method of delivery than injection into a muscle. Unlike accidental ingestion--where aluminum passes unabsorbed through the digestive tract--vaccine aluminum is injected into the muscle to create a "depot" that remains at the site of injection. This delivery method is specifically designed to release the aluminum into the bloodstream at a very slow, controlled rate over several weeks rather than all at once. This gradual release ensures that the concentration in the blood remains well within the clearance capacity of an infant's kidneys, preventing the systemic "loading" that the FDA has been concerned about in other contexts: infant IV fluids and accidental poisoning.
In vivo absorption of aluminium-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al
Updated aluminum pharmacokinetics following infant exposures through diet and vaccination - PubMed
Aluminum is a ubiquitous element that is released naturally into the environment via volcanic activity and the breakdown of rocks on the earth's surface. Exposure of the general population to aluminum occurs primarily through the consumption of food, antacids, and buffered analgesics. Exposure...
Controversial CDC panel to review aluminum salts used in many vaccines - UPI.com
A controversial Centers for Disease Control and Prevention panel is gearing up to review the "safety" of a common additive used in many vaccines.
www.upi.com
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So why doesn't this give the new CDC panel assurances that aluminum is safe in the amounts given?
Controversial CDC panel to review aluminum salts used in many vaccines - UPI.com
A controversial Centers for Disease Control and Prevention panel is gearing up to review the "safety" of a common additive used in many vaccines.
You really ask that question!
Answer: Because the new CDC panel was appointed by the moronic grifter RFK (Brain Worm) Jr.!
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That's your default response, but it really doesn't answer the question.So why doesn't this give the new CDC panel assurances that aluminum is safe in the amounts given?
Controversial CDC panel to review aluminum salts used in many vaccines - UPI.com
A controversial Centers for Disease Control and Prevention panel is gearing up to review the "safety" of a common additive used in many vaccines.
You really ask that question!
Answer: Because the new CDC panel was appointed by the moronic grifter RFK (Brain Worm) Jr.!
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So why doesn't this give the new CDC panel assurances that aluminum is safe in the amounts given?
What paper, have you cited the title of the paper, have you provided a direct link to the paper, have you read the paper to understand its context? Is there some reason that the slides do not contain the title, a direct link, or give the context to you? Are they trying to mislead you and others?
Hint: The fact that no title is provided, no link, no volume number, and not a specific date, just a month and year should be troubling because they are creating a barrier to find the quote in context. While it is entirely possible that the paper does not exist since we have no direct link to it only this presentation and then many other websites and people have repeated the same quote from this presentation, it probably does exist but could it be about something other than injection into muscles? Aluminum (as an adjuvant) is designed to stay at the injection site in the muscle and be released slowly into the bloodstream.
Since you will not know how to find the original, I have found it for you:
Here is the specific section in context:
The FDA was concerned with children eating antiperspirants, especially if the child had impaired kidney function. Applying the antiperspirant topically and especially eating it is a different method of delivery than injection into a muscle. Unlike accidental ingestion--where aluminum passes unabsorbed through the digestive tract--vaccine aluminum is injected into the muscle to create a "depot" that remains at the site of injection. This delivery method is specifically designed to release the aluminum into the bloodstream at a very slow, controlled rate over several weeks rather than all at once. This gradual release ensures that the concentration in the blood remains well within the clearance capacity of an infant's kidneys, preventing the systemic "loading" that the FDA has been concerned about in other contexts: infant IV fluids and accidental poisoning.
In vivo absorption of aluminium-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al
Updated aluminum pharmacokinetics following infant exposures through diet and vaccination - PubMed
Aluminum is a ubiquitous element that is released naturally into the environment via volcanic activity and the breakdown of rocks on the earth's surface. Exposure of the general population to aluminum occurs primarily through the consumption of food, antacids, and buffered analgesics. Exposure...
Controversial CDC panel to review aluminum salts used in many vaccines - UPI.com
A controversial Centers for Disease Control and Prevention panel is gearing up to review the "safety" of a common additive used in many vaccines.
Here is the first paragraph of your link:
The specific people recruited by RFK Jr are not experts in the field but came with anti-vaccine biases. That's exactly why RFK Jr hired them in the first place. It's like if RFK Jr appointed moon landing skeptics and deniers to a panel to investigate the moon landing. Then they make slides taking NASA comments out of context. Then you show the NASA quote and someone explains to you why it is out of context. Then you ask, "oh yeah, well, why did the NASA panel not have assurances we are capable of landing on the moon?" It's right in front of your face. The science was explained to you. Now you are appealing to authority, but it's an authority appointed to do exactly what it's doing.