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That's how capitalism works. Extreme wealth doesn't just exist, it is extracted.

Why are you so unbothered by mentally ill people living like this?
I am VERY bothered by the inhumanity of the situation, and boggled by your unashamed hypocrisy. Half your posts in this thread are "outraged" posts demonizing and dehumanizing the people you call "homeless", advocating for their involuntary detention,

The mental cases need to be taken off the streets and put into suitable care facilities for everyone's sake.

the "clearing" of their homes,

They don't have homes. A sewer is not a home.

the theft of their property,

Most of their property consists of junk and garbage.

and opposing every single expenditure the state governmemt makes to address the crisis.

Billions of dollars spent, problem is worse. The crisis is not being addressed.

I don't even know how you look at yourself in the mirror, the way you habitually talk about fellow human beings in this thread.

It is you and your ilk who don't seem to mind these mentally ill human beings living in filth. In fact, they do everything they can to enable it and prolong the suffering.
 
That's how capitalism works. Extreme wealth doesn't just exist, it is extracted.

Why are you so unbothered by mentally ill people living like this?
I am VERY bothered by the inhumanity of the situation, and boggled by your unashamed hypocrisy. Half your posts in this thread are "outraged" posts demonizing and dehumanizing the people you call "homeless", advocating for their involuntary detention,

The mental cases need to be taken off the streets and put into suitable care facilities for everyone's sake.

the "clearing" of their homes,

They don't have homes. A sewer is not a home.

the theft of their property,

Most of their property consists of junk and garbage.

and opposing every single expenditure the state governmemt makes to address the crisis.

Billions of dollars spent, problem is worse. The crisis is not being addressed.

I don't even know how you look at yourself in the mirror, the way you habitually talk about fellow human beings in this thread.

It is you and your ilk who don't seem to mind these mentally ill human beings living in filth. In fact, they do everything they can to enable it and prolong the suffering.
There have always been bums and transients but what we have today in our major cities is a true fucking blight on everyone who wants to live there or even just visit.

Among other places, back in the 90s and 2000s I used to take my kids to places like Hollywood and Venice Beach because they were quirky and fun. Had it been then like it is now, there's not a chance in hell I'd take them there now. There's a difference between some guy holding out a cup for your change as you walk by and being fucking accosted and stared down by dozens of junkies and mentally ill people on a single block. It's a frightening disgrace. The many have had their lives negatively impacted by the few. The performative bleeding hearts and soulless conservatives are willing to allow the problem to persist but for different reasons. Thus, the problem is impossible to resolve.
 
The performative bleeding hearts and soulless conservatives are willing to allow the problem to persist but for different reasons. Thus, the problem is impossible to resolve.
Any resolution would take money.
If you want to know why nothing is done, simply review TSwizzle’s posts. Conservotards cry like babies at every penny spent for non-material needs like public mental health.
 
That's how capitalism works. Extreme wealth doesn't just exist, it is extracted.

Why are you so unbothered by mentally ill people living like this?
I am VERY bothered by the inhumanity of the situation, and boggled by your unashamed hypocrisy. Half your posts in this thread are "outraged" posts demonizing and dehumanizing the people you call "homeless", advocating for their involuntary detention,

The mental cases need to be taken off the streets and put into suitable care facilities for everyone's sake.
*looks at watch*

Yup, twice every day.
 
It is you and your ilk who don't seem to mind these mentally ill human beings living in filth.
These human beings will still be "living in filth" when you heartless morons have jailed them all, and then when they are released, and then when you arrest them again, and then when they are released again, and then when you jail them again. They'll just be living in filth and on the public dime 50% of the time.
 
It is you and your ilk who don't seem to mind these mentally ill human beings living in filth.
These human beings will still be "living in filth" when you heartless morons have jailed them all, and then when they are released, and then when you arrest them again, and then when they are released again, and then when you jail them again. They'll just be living in filth and on the public dime 50% of the time.
Soooooooooo... do nothing. That's your plan?

Please explain.
 
It is you and your ilk who don't seem to mind these mentally ill human beings living in filth.
These human beings will still be "living in filth" when you heartless morons have jailed them all, and then when they are released, and then when you arrest them again, and then when they are released again, and then when you jail them again. They'll just be living in filth and on the public dime 50% of the time.
Soooooooooo... do nothing. That's your plan?

Please explain.
The hell? I work my ass off seven days a week 50 weeks a year doing everything in my power to create work and housing opportunities for the youth of this country. What do you do? Yell at the television? Vote for fascists?
 
https://obrag.org/2023/04/how-reaga...-institutions-led-to-the-homelessness-crisis/
As a psychologist who began practicing nearly 40 years ago, I’ve seen a significant shift in the care of the mentally ill since the mid-1980s — and it hasn’t been for the better.

After the deinstitutionalization movement began in California in the 1960s, many state mental health hospitals closed, forcing many folks who needed a lot of care onto the streets.

Without those facilities, many mentally ill people ended up in jails and prisons which are not set up to provide safe, compassionate care for brain illnesses. But in 1981, when President d Reagan deinstitutionalized the mentally ill and emptied the psychiatric hospitals into so-called “community” clinics, the problem got worse.

Most of those who were deinstitutionalized from the nation’s public psychiatric hospitals were severely mentally ill. Between 50 percent and 60 percent were diagnosed with schizophrenia. The fact that many of these people struggled with various forms of brain dysfunction was not recognized back then. With so many advances in brain science, experts now know that we need to be able to coordinate care in residential facilities, especially if we are housing people at $4,000 per day in a local medical hospital.

People with severe mental illness need to be supported every step of the way. They need to be housed with compassion and supplied with medications, state of the art brain health therapies, nutritious food that supports brain health and extracurricular activities that give them a chance to live meaningful lives. They need to receive quality care with programs like art and music therapy, equestrian therapy, job training and volunteer opportunities to become actively engaged members of society.

I remember this well, but the money never appeared for the community based public health programs for the mentally ill. It's true that many liberals didn't think people should be forced to enter mental health hospitals, but I can tell you as a retired RN that many of these facilities gave excellent care, provided decent food and medication for the patients. I considered working in one in NC, but we moved out of state. These days, most of the few existing hospitals are the worst ones, leaving a large number of severely mentally ill folks forced to live on the streets or live in a horrendous hospital, like one that was closed down a few years ago In Georgia. I'll spared you the details, but the conditions were appalling, unlike anything I've ever known of during the years when we still had many state hospitals.

People like Reagan simply didn't want to spend money to care for people who suffered from what I prefer to call brain disorders, mostly those with schizophrenia or severe bipolar disorder. The one where I received my psych training in Texas in the early 70s was also a very good hospital. Plus, all but the criminally insane were permitted to roam around outside and be involved in various activities. Is it better to mandate that severely ill people with hard to treat brain disorders be forced to enter a good hospital, assuming there are no family members willing and able to care for them, or to have them living on the street in very unsafe conditions, without decent food, without at least somewhat effective medication etc.? Some of these folks end up in nursing home or ALFs. I had quite a few of them as patients when I worked in an ALF. That sometimes worked out okay if their meds were effective, but there were times when these folks could not receive the care they needed and at least one. incident I recall, were a danger to others in the ALF.

So, it was a former Republican governor in California who had a lot to do with the fact that so many mentally ill folks are living on the street without receiving any help or care.
 
So, it was a former Republican governor in California who had a lot to do with the fact that so many mentally ill folks are living on the street without receiving any help or care.

lol, Reagan has been out of office as president since 1989, out of office in California since 1975. He’s been dead since 2004!!

Meanwhile, the democrats have been in charge of California for at least 16 years.

Yeah, Reagan is the problem, lol.
 
Newsom's destruction of county-level mental health programs is a disaster at least on the scale of Reagan's reforms. We will be paying the consequences of this for decades yet to come.
 
It is you and your ilk who don't seem to mind these mentally ill human beings living in filth.
These human beings will still be "living in filth" when you heartless morons have jailed them all, and then when they are released, and then when you arrest them again, and then when they are released again, and then when you jail them again. They'll just be living in filth and on the public dime 50% of the time.
Soooooooooo... do nothing. That's your plan?

Please explain.
The hell? I work my ass off seven days a week 50 weeks a year doing everything in my power to create work and housing opportunities for the youth of this country. What do you do? Yell at the television? Vote for fascists?
You still haven't stated a single thing that you think will help the problem. Not just in the place you live in, but nationally. My best friend is a Christian guy who doles out food in food lines. That's fine, but what's it doing to make a difference in the number of homeless people?

And quit with the you must be a fascist bullshit. It's "I know you are but what am I?" discourse level.

Every month I donate money to Habitat for Humanity and the ASPCA. I've voted blue across the board since 1996. That's more than 90% of what everyone else does.

Now quit with the name calling.
 
You still haven't stated a single thing that you think will help the problem.
I have a suggestion; get rid of this government-by-grift and spend the billions that the Trump cabal is stealing, on providing upward mobility for those at the bottom.
 
It is you and your ilk who don't seem to mind these mentally ill human beings living in filth.
These human beings will still be "living in filth" when you heartless morons have jailed them all, and then when they are released, and then when you arrest them again, and then when they are released again, and then when you jail them again. They'll just be living in filth and on the public dime 50% of the time.
Soooooooooo... do nothing. That's your plan?

Please explain.
The hell? I work my ass off seven days a week 50 weeks a year doing everything in my power to create work and housing opportunities for the youth of this country. What do you do? Yell at the television? Vote for fascists?
You still haven't stated a single thing that you think will help the problem. Not just in the place you live in, but nationally. My best friend is a Christian guy who doles out food in food lines. That's fine, but what's it doing to make a difference in the number of homeless people?

And quit with the you must be a fascist bullshit. It's "I know you are but what am I?" discourse level.

Every month I donate money to Habitat for Humanity and the ASPCA. I've voted blue across the board since 1996. That's more than 90% of what everyone else does.

Now quit with the name calling.
Fucking nonsense. This is an issue we've discussed at length in this thread.
 
The performative bleeding hearts and soulless conservatives are willing to allow the problem to persist but for different reasons. Thus, the problem is impossible to resolve.
Any resolution would take money.
If you want to know why nothing is done, simply review TSwizzle’s posts. Conservotards cry like babies at every penny spent for non-material needs like public mental health.
It's about more than money even if both sides agreed to throw money at the problem. I 100% agree with you that conservatives would never agree to it because they'd lose a huge talking point. Punching down at disadvantage people has garnered them millions of votes over the years and they're not going to give that up.

At the same time, Dems will never agree to a change in the laws that prevent real treatment of addicts and the mentally ill.

I went through this wringer for over a decade with a loved one. Rather than seeing her homeless I took her in, threw her out, took her in, threw her out, and on and on and on. It was agonizing and heartbreaking. The point of this story is that unless people want to get better, they won't. The solution, IMO, is to force treatment upon them. However, that can't be done without significant changes in the law. If she could've been forced into treatment she'd be alive today. Instead I got a call from the mortuary a few days ago. They wanted to let me know that her grave marker and flower holders have been completed.

I can rationally say I did everything--well above and beyond what most people would have done, but I will still be haunted by this for the rest of my life by it all. Maybe I could've done more. Maybe I never found the right words. I know that's not true though. I know that I could not have done more. Everyone tells me that and I think it's true. But she's still gone and there are no more opportunities to fix it.
 
The point of this story is that unless people want to get better, they won't.
That is a foundational premise of most mental health treatment, afaict. And I think it should be. Ergo, the first priority in any effective program has to be the development of that desire to get “better”.
That takes a lot of TLC and TIME, which any gawdfeerin’ Republitard can tell you, costs money.
There is a predictable fraction of the population that will require such attention or become an increasingly large liability for the entire population. Yeah, it’s expensive but not as expensive as ignoring the problem until it falls to law enforcement.
I think Dems would back any program that holds even just a credible promise to try to provide what’s needed. I also believe that Republicans would rather revel in the misery and suffering they can cause by punishing the unwell rather than bothering with woke shit, like treatment.
 
The point of this story is that unless people want to get better, they won't.
One would first have to think they need to get better. Better is rather subjective. For example, I can't imagine a better version of myself. Others may disagree. Take my ex-wife.
Many may argue they are perfectly fine the way they are and have no inclination to aspire to what society deems as normal.
I've seen normal. I'm not impressed.
 
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