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Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
This is blowing up internationally, with foreign govts focused on it as well as the UN. It's time for a big distraction which needs to draw international attention more so than this.

War with Iran could do it?
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It signals Pootie to do something to threaten ‘Murkin interests so Cheato can credibly declare an emergency before the elections this fall.
 
TSwizzle said:
southernhybrid said:
I think there is more than enough evidence that Trump should be arrested and tried for sexually abusing young women, including possibly minors.
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I haven’t followed this very much so could you cite this evidence? Or do you merely think there must be evidence ?
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No media besides FOX under that rock you hide beneath? It’s someone else’s job to tell you what you don’t want to know?
 
The article I'm going to share is worse than almost anything I've read about male doctors, although it is similar to what I read a few. years ago about male doctors trading Rx. for narcotics in exchange for sex. ( and no, not all male doctors are assholes. but a lot of them are and I base that on my 42 years working as a nurse and having to deal with them ) I'll paste a little but, but read the entire article if you dare.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/...e_code=1.PlA.bOg1.d7FMLf7Keti3&smid=url-share

Elite Doctors Served Jeffrey Epstein While Treating His ‘Girls’​

A small stable of doctors gave V.I.P. medical services to the sex offender and the women around him. Some doctors bent or broke the ethical rules of their profession.
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These providers were part of a small stable of loyal medical specialists cultivated and rewarded by Mr. Epstein, the convicted sex offender and financier who died in a jail cell in 2019. He often tapped their expertise for his own ailments, firing off questions about his bad back, high cholesterol and erectile dysfunction drugs. Sometimes, he connected them with his powerful friends in business and politics, even arranging one lawyer’s mammogram.
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A change to British customs was made very recently.

Upon a citizen reaching their 100th birthday they received a message from the monarch.

Now the men will still receive the 100th birthday greeting from Charles III.

Women will now recieve a picture from Andrew, formerly known as Prince, with them on their 16th birthday.
 
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What did Trump and Epstein like most about twenty eight year old girls?

That there were twenty of them.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:

Prison guards discussed cover-up of Epstein’s death, inmate tells FBI​


There is also some other info in there about a specific guard.

I am not buying this, but it's recent info on the story...
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Well, I'm going to be in 'trust but verify' mode on this one. I'll put my weight on it while pointing out it could be fabricated, but I personally don't think it is.

This is both beyond suspicious and quite plausible.

I wonder how much of this can be corroborated.
 
Toni said:
Derec, apparently there are plenty of images, still and video. I’ve read enough to know that, unless you wish to believe that the videos and other images and the email conversations between Epstein and a lot of others are fake, there IS plenty of evidence. What Andrew is being most investigated further and charged with is corruption of the business kind.
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Unfortunately, there is question about the integrity of the data. It's like Biden's laptop drive--some is true, but there's reason to suspect tampering.

I think most of it is true, but it's not courtroom level evidence. I suspect this is quite intentional--plant fake stuff in it so it's not possible to prove what is real and what isn't.
 
Jarhyn said:
So while they can and ostensibly will criticize someone when they are caught, they will instead criticize their actions that got them caught and attempt to debug the cause as if what causes the downfall of a pedo were an error rather than a feature.

And even then, after the fact, these assholes have the gall to go with the "victim was asking for it" implications.

Hell, even if the victim asks for it, begs for it, or even uses some manner of leverage to demand it (blackmail), it's still wrong.

Even so, I have to wonder sometimes whether the "they were asking for it/it was or could have been transactional" defense is really something they are using to paper over cognitive dissonance over an event of their own past.

We know for a fact that some percentage of sex workers are underage and/or trafficked, and that the Johns are rarely in a position to know. Through a lifetime of hiring prostitutes in the US, it would be a virtual impossibility to be certain none of those "transactional" events involved a victim being sold into a rape. Hence the need to forgive others when they do it "transactionally", to assume the unlikely or the impossible... It's the only mentality that keeps them from making judgements against themselves when it's too late to just not be "a sinner"
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You're refuting yourself here.

The reality is there are underage hookers. And hookers actively solicit clients--that's clearly asking for it. And there are the quasi-hookers--you want to get invited again, you put out this time.

I do not like the situation, but it's an inevitable result of making prostitution illegal. And I don't think it's realistically possible to forbid the put out to get invited next time bit.

Some of what happened the participants had to know was wrong, but a lot of it there's no way to establish mens rea.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Toni said:
Derec, apparently there are plenty of images, still and video. I’ve read enough to know that, unless you wish to believe that the videos and other images and the email conversations between Epstein and a lot of others are fake, there IS plenty of evidence. What Andrew is being most investigated further and charged with is corruption of the business kind.
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Unfortunately, there is question about the integrity of the data. It's like Biden's laptop drive--some is true, but there's reason to suspect tampering.

I think most of it is true, but it's not courtroom level evidence. I suspect this is quite intentional--plant fake stuff in it so it's not possible to prove what is real and what isn't.
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Why is there reason to suspect tampering??

And why is t the testimony of many women sufficient? Why isn’t the dropped FBI investigation enough? People have been contacting authorities about violence towards minors for 30 years!
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Jarhyn said:
So while they can and ostensibly will criticize someone when they are caught, they will instead criticize their actions that got them caught and attempt to debug the cause as if what causes the downfall of a pedo were an error rather than a feature.

And even then, after the fact, these assholes have the gall to go with the "victim was asking for it" implications.

Hell, even if the victim asks for it, begs for it, or even uses some manner of leverage to demand it (blackmail), it's still wrong.

Even so, I have to wonder sometimes whether the "they were asking for it/it was or could have been transactional" defense is really something they are using to paper over cognitive dissonance over an event of their own past.

We know for a fact that some percentage of sex workers are underage and/or trafficked, and that the Johns are rarely in a position to know. Through a lifetime of hiring prostitutes in the US, it would be a virtual impossibility to be certain none of those "transactional" events involved a victim being sold into a rape. Hence the need to forgive others when they do it "transactionally", to assume the unlikely or the impossible... It's the only mentality that keeps them from making judgements against themselves when it's too late to just not be "a sinner"
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You're refuting yourself here.

The reality is there are underage hookers. And hookers actively solicit clients--that's clearly asking for it. And there are the quasi-hookers--you want to get invited again, you put out this time.

I do not like the situation, but it's an inevitable result of making prostitution illegal. And I don't think it's realistically possible to forbid the put out to get invited next time bit.

Some of what happened the participants had to know was wrong, but a lot of it there's no way to establish mens rea.
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I am not going to get into the issue of "asking for it". I've seen some shit. Some of it is NSFL. Some of it is straight up info-hazard level, and I mean "stuff that could lead to horrific outcomes for everyone involved if it were even said within earshot of a child".

There are kids who "ask for it", and yet it is the responsibility of the adults to say NO every time. That is the only way that terrible outcomes are prevented.

This is especially true when it is "asked for" because the asking is missing something necessary for consent to exist: symmetry of experience and leverage.
 
Toni said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Toni said:
Derec, apparently there are plenty of images, still and video. I’ve read enough to know that, unless you wish to believe that the videos and other images and the email conversations between Epstein and a lot of others are fake, there IS plenty of evidence. What Andrew is being most investigated further and charged with is corruption of the business kind.
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Unfortunately, there is question about the integrity of the data. It's like Biden's laptop drive--some is true, but there's reason to suspect tampering.

I think most of it is true, but it's not courtroom level evidence. I suspect this is quite intentional--plant fake stuff in it so it's not possible to prove what is real and what isn't.
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Why is there reason to suspect tampering??

And why is t the testimony of many women sufficient?
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Because it isn't enough to convict, at least the accusation. If additional information can be provided that helps demonstrate the case, that helps, but a lot of this is simply accusatory and the guys who are being accused will deny it. So much time has passed in these cases. There are no rape kits, no physical evidence. So you need to place this person with the accused, which could be possible. But then the defense is, it wasn't me who did it.

Think of it like getting a mob boss. There are crimes clearly being committed, but convicting on those crimes, particularly the up aboves, is ridiculously hard. You need someone to talk. With any luck, Prince Andrew will talk.
Toni said:
People have been contacting authorities about violence towards minors for 30 years!
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I'd say one of the biggest unaddressed crimes was the sweet deal in Florida that Epstein received. And if it weren't for the press, Miami Herald, we wouldn't even have this thread.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Toni said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Toni said:
Derec, apparently there are plenty of images, still and video. I’ve read enough to know that, unless you wish to believe that the videos and other images and the email conversations between Epstein and a lot of others are fake, there IS plenty of evidence. What Andrew is being most investigated further and charged with is corruption of the business kind.
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Unfortunately, there is question about the integrity of the data. It's like Biden's laptop drive--some is true, but there's reason to suspect tampering.

I think most of it is true, but it's not courtroom level evidence. I suspect this is quite intentional--plant fake stuff in it so it's not possible to prove what is real and what isn't.
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Why is there reason to suspect tampering??

And why is t the testimony of many women sufficient?
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Because it isn't enough to convict, at least the accusation. If additional information can be provided that helps demonstrate the case, that helps, but a lot of this is simply accusatory and the guys who are being accused will deny it. So much time has passed in these cases. There are no rape kits, no physical evidence. So you need to place this person with the accused, which could be possible. But then the defense is, it wasn't me who did it.

Think of it like getting a mob boss. There are crimes clearly being committed, but convicting on those crimes, particularly the up aboves, is ridiculously hard. You need someone to talk. With any luck, Prince Andrew will talk.
Toni said:
People have been contacting authorities about violence towards minors for 30 years!
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I'd say one of the biggest unaddressed crimes was the sweet deal in Florida that Epstein received. And if it weren't for the press, Miami Herald, we wouldn't even have this thread.
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There's footage.

The FBI has that footage.

The FBI has time tables.

The FBI has Epstein's own records (which by default should have sufficient evidence to inform the necessary convictions all around).

The problem is NOT a lack of evidence but rather a plethora of corruption.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
We don't know who or what is on the footage.
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Other than that whole part where Democrats who have seen them have discussed what is on the footage.

We do know what is on the footage: people sexually abusing, torturing, and even killing children.

Please don't pretend it is any less serious than it is.
 
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