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Well, it looks like the USA is headed to a war with Iran, even though there's very little support for such an action. Most of the support is in the defense industry or the entrenched government, because they are still pissed that the Iranians overthrew the Shah.

Trump is more aggressive in foreign policy this term than his previous, which is very unfortunate.

I think that going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.
 
Well, it looks like the USA is headed to a war with Iran, even though there's very little support for such an action. Most of the support is in the defense industry or the entrenched government, because they are still pissed that the Iranians overthrew the Shah.

Trump is more aggressive in foreign policy this term than his previous, which is very unfortunate.

I think that going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.

Why do you think going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea?

In the long run, kicking the mad mullahs out of power would be a good thing for the Iranian people and the world in general.
 
Well, it looks like the USA is headed to a war with Iran, even though there's very little support for such an action. Most of the support is in the defense industry or the entrenched government, because they are still pissed that the Iranians overthrew the Shah.

Trump is more aggressive in foreign policy this term than his previous, which is very unfortunate.

I think that going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.

Why do you think going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea?

In the long run, kicking the mad mullahs out of power would be a good thing for the Iranian people and the world in general.
Wow, De Ja Vu. I recall the exact same arguments used in the early 2000s that went swimmingly. I really shouldn't be surprised the Swiz has learned nothing over the last 20 years but I guess he's the gift that keeps on giving.
 
Well, it looks like the USA is headed to a war with Iran, even though there's very little support for such an action. Most of the support is in the defense industry or the entrenched government, because they are still pissed that the Iranians overthrew the Shah.

Trump is more aggressive in foreign policy this term than his previous, which is very unfortunate.

I think that going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.

Why do you think going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea?

In the long run, kicking the mad mullahs out of power would be a good thing for the Iranian people and the world in general.
Well, first of all, what I consider a very important reason but nobody else does, Iran is not a threat to the USA. Most people will ignore that point due to a weird belief that the US has some divine right to intervene anywhere anytime.

It won't be like Iraq. It will be more like Afghanistan but more so. It will require a lot of manpower to do this particular attack. Otherwise it will simply be the US lobbing missiles and accomplishing nothing. Perhaps Trump will try in Iran what he ordered in Venezuela. Of course the last time an Arab leader was taken out as the target the result was Arabs buying and selling African slaves in Libya.

Also the USA is broke. Very very broke. How the hell is the government going to afford this? I guess the dollar will be debased even more. Hooray for wartime inflation. We're still catching our breath from the last bout of inflation. I would have thought we would have learned after LBJ. Well, his inflation mostly hit Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan, but it was LBJ that brought it about with the disaster in Vietnam. Too much time in between, maybe too much for the average person to connect the two. Plus there is a Keynesian bullshit theory that war is good for the economy.

Now the Mullahs in Iran are already facing strong civil unrest that could actually unseat them. Nothing unites a country like an external threat.
 
Well, it looks like the USA is headed to a war with Iran, even though there's very little support for such an action. Most of the support is in the defense industry or the entrenched government, because they are still pissed that the Iranians overthrew the Shah.

Trump is more aggressive in foreign policy this term than his previous, which is very unfortunate.

I think that going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.

Why do you think going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea?

In the long run, kicking the mad mullahs out of power would be a good thing for the Iranian people and the world in general.

Are you going to volunteer to fight and die?

Of course not.
 
Well, it looks like the USA is headed to a war with Iran, even though there's very little support for such an action. Most of the support is in the defense industry or the entrenched government, because they are still pissed that the Iranians overthrew the Shah.

Trump is more aggressive in foreign policy this term than his previous, which is very unfortunate.

I think that going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.

Why do you think going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea?

In the long run, kicking the mad mullahs out of power would be a good thing for the Iranian people and the world in general.

Are you going to volunteer to fight and die?

Of course not.
Not to mention that this would never end with Iran having a stable democratic government.of experience and observation have any use at all, a better metric for the outcome would be looking at Iraq and what happened there.
 
Iran: about the size of Alaska, with 93 million people. Lead pipe cinch that we will never attempt to occupy the place, so we would rely on air strikes again. Air strikes are a way to take out military installations, but they cannot effect political change. The whole thing reeks of a crazy old man thinking he can run the world. Are we to have a war that Congress doesn't vote on? Does anyone think that, with most of our "allies" now seething with rage at our behavior, we can unilaterally reshape the power centers of the Mideast?
 
Rumor has it is per Chris Hayes that Israel will do the first strike and Iran will retaliate against US forces forcing a response.

Frankly by now I'm to the point of saying fuck Israel. You're on your own.
 
Well, first of all, what I consider a very important reason but nobody else does, Iran is not a threat to the USA. Most people will ignore that point due to a weird belief that the US has some divine right to intervene anywhere anytime.

Not much of a threat to the USA at the moment but more of a threat if the mad mullahs manage to get their hands on nuclear weapons. But even so, Iran remains a major sponsor of islamic terrorism in the region and around the world. I don’t believe the USA has a divine right to intervene anywhere anytime but it does have the divine right to defend itself.

It won't be like Iraq. It will be more like Afghanistan but more so. It will require a lot of manpower to do this particular attack. Otherwise it will simply be the US lobbing missiles and accomplishing nothing. Perhaps Trump will try in Iran what he ordered in Venezuela. Of course the last time an Arab leader was taken out as the target the result was Arabs buying and selling African slaves in Libya.
Iranians are not Arabs.

Also the USA is broke. Very very broke. How the hell is the government going to afford this? I guess the dollar will be debased even more. Hooray for wartime inflation. We're still catching our breath from the last bout of inflation. I would have thought we would have learned after LBJ. Well, his inflation mostly hit Nixon, Ford, Carter, and Reagan, but it was LBJ that brought it about with the disaster in Vietnam. Too much time in between, maybe too much for the average person to connect the two. Plus there is a Keynesian bullshit theory that war is good for the economy.

Some of it could be paid for by getting their hands money back from the fraudsters in Minnesota and elsewhere. Or print or borrow money.
Now the Mullahs in Iran are already facing strong civil unrest that could actually unseat them. Nothing unites a country like an external threat.

Maybe, but they civilians just took a hell of a beating, I don’t know what their appetite for confrontation with their abusers is as enthusiastic as before.
 
Iran: about the size of Alaska, with 93 million people. Lead pipe cinch that we will never attempt to occupy the place, so we would rely on air strikes again. Air strikes are a way to take out military installations, but they cannot effect political change. The whole thing reeks of a crazy old man thinking he can run the world. Are we to have a war that Congress doesn't vote on? Does anyone think that, with most of our "allies" now seething with rage at our behavior, we can unilaterally reshape the power centers of the Mideast?
Do you have better idea? US Hegemony must live and prosper! Both Russia and Iran sell oil to China.
Biden/Obama tried to invade Russia on a cheap, it did nor work. So Iran is a natural next try. China directly is out of question for foreseeable future.
So it must Be Iran.
 
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In the long run, kicking the mad mullahs out of power would be a good thing for the Iranian people and the world in general.
Mullahs always come back in Islamic countries. Turkiye, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh.

The war with Iran is on. Trump is shooting from his mouth. When do the fire-works begin?
 
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Well, first of all, what I consider a very important reason but nobody else does, Iran is not a threat to the USA. Most people will ignore that point due to a weird belief that the US has some divine right to intervene anywhere anytime.

Not much of a threat to the USA at the moment but more of a threat if the mad mullahs manage to get their hands on nuclear weapons. But even so, Iran remains a major sponsor of islamic terrorism in the region and around the world. I don’t believe the USA has a divine right to intervene anywhere anytime but it does have the divine right to defend itself.

For the last fifty years Iran has been "12 years away from acquiring nuclear weapons". Here's something to know - if a country is starting from ground zero, that county is 12 years away from acquiring nuclear weapons.

There is a reason countries that dislike the US would want nuclear weapons. Why did the US invade Iraq but not North Korea?

There's a joke meme going around about how an ancient Jewish tablet has been deciphered and it says "Persia is 12 years away from nuclear weapons".

No. Iran does not want to fight the US, but is more than willing to do so IF the US attacks first.
 
Well, it looks like the USA is headed to a war with Iran, even though there's very little support for such an action. Most of the support is in the defense industry or the entrenched government, because they are still pissed that the Iranians overthrew the Shah.

Trump is more aggressive in foreign policy this term than his previous, which is very unfortunate.

I think that going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea.

Why do you think going to war with Iran is a really, really bad idea?

In the long run, kicking the mad mullahs out of power would be a good thing for the Iranian people and the world in general.
Why do you think that going to war with Iran will achieve that result?

Your post looks to me to be missing any hint of a plausible link between the first and last paragraphs.
 
Lead pipe cinch that we will never attempt to occupy the place, so we would rely on air strikes again. Air strikes are a way to take out military installations, but they cannot effect political change.
Yup. As I have said before, and will doubtless need to say again, you cannot bomb people into liking you.

People will tolerate almost any level of hardship in order to avoid giving any concessions of any kind to someone who bombs them, and will endure astonishing levels of privation and suffering in the hope of getting some measure of retaliation.

And they will unify behind even the worst of tyrants, if they suspect that the tyrant's opposition are supported in any way by the people dropping the bombs.

Strategic bombing has been demonstrably counterproductive for over a century now.

But it's easier than invasion. And, just like prayer, it feels like it should be effective, so you just can't stop the true believers from trying it again and again and again.
 
For the last fifty years Iran has been "12 years away from acquiring nuclear weapons". Here's something to know - if a country is starting from ground zero, that county is 12 years away from acquiring nuclear weapons.
It took the Tube Alloys and Manhattan projects about six years, starting from the position of not even knowing that nuclear weapons were possible.

I reckon that any modern nation, knowing that nuclear weapons can be built, and starting only with the information currently freely available about the way they work, could build a fission bomb in a couple of years if they really wanted to.

H-Bombs are a bit trickier. But not a lot.

The real difficulty is making them small and light enough to be delivered to their targets by plane or missile. And that difficulty is readily overcome by unconventional delivery methods - you can get a shipping container delivered anywhere in the world in a couple of months, and most large cities are ports.

And none of these problems apply if you can just buy a warhead from Russia.

Twelve years? Only if they don't really want to do it, or have been infiltrated by saboteurs. Both likely apply in the case of Iran.

To be honest, stopping Iran from getting nukes is a mug's game. The smart move would be to stop them from wanting them; Or even smarter, from wanting to use them if, as, and when they get them.

Dropping bombs on them is unlikely to help with these goals.
 
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