barbos
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If someone trying to run over you would call them that too and do so involuntary.
As for the doctors, police procedures do not allow that I was told.
The Cold Blooded Murder Of Renee Good
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As for the doctors, police procedures do not allow that I was told.
barbos
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Good point too. But in the end of the day it does not matter. People curse involuntary in such situations.
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If I called you a fucking bitch right now, there would be consequences for just that little reaction, even if I claimed it was involuntary.
It does matter that he denied her medical care, and it matters that he called her a "fucking bitch", but the denial of medical care matters more, to the extent that the epithet pales in comparison to the meaning of the denial of care.
If you "involuntarily curse" someone you just shot three times in an act of egregious and heinous murder, that damns you half again, and if you deny medical care to guarantee the murderous end, you damn yourself all twice over again.
It damns him more than enough to damn any man, which makes the rest more heinous still.
barbos
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Your claim would be irrelevant.
Are you having reading comprehension problems again? I've just explained that.
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And why he was holding his cell phone and recording the encounter the entire time?
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It appears he was the only one close enough to have been recorded saying it by his cell phone.
Shadowy Man
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I’m sure that the thorough investigation that the FBI will do will determine that (and the other important questions) quite definitively.
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Do you realize how long ten seconds is? A top sprinter can run 100 metres in ten seconds. Many complex actions can be performed in mere seconds.
A person who has a handgun should not be engaging in "involuntary actions" (whatever that is supposed to mean; deliberately drawing a gun, then aiming it and firing it is not involuntary). If he is incapable of thinking then he shouldn't have been there, in a situation where his inability to think can put the lives of himself and others in danger.
Yes , obviously another "involuntary action". It seems the ICE man is some time of automaton who cam perform complex actions without thought being required. Perhaps the product of a secret advanced robotics lab.
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What 10 seconds are you talking about?
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Do you want to speculate what could have happened 10 seconds before the video that could justify Good's murder.
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Becoming? It's been unhinged for awhile, but it's getting more dangerous by the day.
Citizens don't even have basic civil rights any longer. People, including citizens can be swept off in a raid without any legitimate reason. It's much worse if you have the wrong skin tone or accent, but even Lilly white folks like the victim of the recent murder can be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Peaceful protests are now viewed as acts of terrorism if you are protesting ICE or Trump's actions. I don't think this is what we expected, not even from someone as mentally deranged as the man who thinks he's king. In fact, more of his supporters are finally admitting this isn't what they voted for, but will enough of them wake up? One can only hope because trying to reason with them is a fool's errand. I know because I've been foolish enough to try a couple of times.
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I assume you’re being facetious..,
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Yes, it was
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Every authority-caused death is investigated to some degree. If someone dies from being tased due e.g. for a heart condition, it's investigated because the circumstances need to be sussed out.
Who was there?
What did witnesses and the cops say, see, and do?
What were the circumstances under which the incident took place?
Where did this occur and why was it occurring there?
Etc.
Also, what happens much more often than not is that the officer is placed on leave until things can be figured out. What's their record like? What do other cops say about him? Etc.
That there's no investigation into this is beyond disturbing. The fact that TrumpCo immediately supported the ICE dipshit without knowing even the most basic facts is especially low even for him.
But this is what this government wants. They want to provoke the people into defending themselves so that they can intimidate us into giving up our rights.
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After you shot them in the face?
Besides, no one tried to run anyone over no one hit anyone’s crotch with a car. I can see why his tiny little penis might have shrunk even more when the woman did not cower before his might. That would have been painful. I can even see why he was afraid she might run him over as he apparently toy was dealing with untreated PTSD from something that had happened months prior and did not involve her. That was reason enough that he should not have been out on the street
He flat out murdered her and recorded it
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And if the state of Mn doesn’t investigate and charge this killer, it is complicit in the horror. The state doesn’t need federal cooperation to enforce its laws.
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The issue here is that she was not attempting to run the officer over. He may have believed that in the moment, and it sure can be seen that way, but that belief raises an important question: if he was genuinely concerned for his safety, why did he move from the rear of the vehicle to the front? Drawing his weapon in anticipation rather than repositioning himself also weakens the credibility of that claim.
I know some people will call this hindsight, but training is meant to address precisely these kinds of scenarios. Other officers have pointed this out as well. You don’t even need hindsight or specialized training to recognize that standing in front of a vehicle while someone you’re having, or have just had, an altercation with is behind the wheel is a dangerous choice. He may have anticipated that she would try to drive away, particularly if he had seen similar situations before, which could explain the preemptive draw, but that anticipation makes his positioning even harder to justify.
It looks more like he positioned himself in a way that created the situation she then regrettably fell into, rather than her deliberately trying to run him over. If that had been her intent, steering toward him, and the vehicle continuing in that direction afterward, would have made more sense.
barbos
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No, before. From a point of view of the ICE officer she was trying to run over him.
I have a question for you. You are all bitching about how ICE and even ordinary police are bad and poorly trained and still support engaging them in a way that put people at risk of getting killed due to said lack of training. Why are you doing that?
Why are you supporting this?
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barbos
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I am merely explaining the mechanics of what happened.
Initially, he was not concerned about his safety, he was concerned about safety of the idiot who tried to open the door.
And pointing the gun at her was a sign for her to stop the car. Problem is, she probably did not even see him pointing the gun.