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The Cold Blooded Murder Of Renee Good

laughing dog said:
Elixir said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
You are doing some Carl Lewis level leaping there with what I actually said versus what I think.
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Straighten me out then, Jimmy, don't pull an Emily. Why are you questioning the heinousness of this murder?
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I think he’s questioning the right to block traffic not defending execution for traffic infractions.
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Oh. So it’s a traffic rules thread derail, and nothing to do with the cold blooded murder of Renee Good.
Got it, but the “why” question remains, as does “Why HERE?”
 
Politesse said:
Tigers! said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Not a right to arbitrarily block passage on a road. I need to get a permit to do as such. Though I'm uncertain what happened before the video, why her car was like that and why a video was started to start with.
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Those questions are reasonable ones.
When I look at videoes about incidents like this I am always wondering why have we not seen? What happened seconds before the video started. Context does matter.
She should not have been shot and killed.
But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?
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Street execution is not the legal penalty for obstructing a thoroughfare.
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It's insane this even needs to be emphasized...
 
Toni said:
Clearly not. She was directed to leave and she was attempting to leave.
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After she tried to block and harrass ICE while her girlfriend was taking video of her doing so.
Look, I blame ICE, but she was clearly provoking them.
 
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barbos said:
Toni said:
Clearly not. She was directed to leave and she was attempting to leave.
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After she tried to block and harrass ICE while her girlfriend was taking video of her doing so.
Look, I blame ICE, but she was clearly provoking them.
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Really? Provoking adult men who supposedly are professionals—her murderer having 20 years of experience?

I saw nothing remotely like harassment.

Women here are not required to genuflect and give blow jobs to appease men in uniform.
 
laughing dog said:
Harry Bosch said:
unapologetic said:
The Four Seconds Everyone Missed

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Could you summarize his points?
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He shows that while Ms Goode’s car is in reverse, the killer is pulling his firearm out. So he had decided to shoot before he was in “danger”.
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He had time to pull his gun out, so he also had time to step backwards away from any alleged danger to him, but chose the bad option of these two instead, and then compounded it by actually shooting with the gun, and several times.
Toni said:
My twin fears:

Soon, very soon, people will begin to fight back. I’m talking about someone shoving a blade into the belly of an out of control ICE agent.

The other fear?

Nobody will.
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People have started running ICE agents away from some locations. I am surprised that with all the continuous propaganda over decades about American individualism that there have not already been actual attacks on ICE agents, especially since they are engaged in illegal activities. If this murderer isn't prosecuted (and that seems likely since FBI is in charge of investigation and they have been suborned by Trump) then things could escalate to reactive violence triggered by this incident and the responses to it by Trump, Vance, Noem, and the FBI.
barbos said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Had the police responded in likewise force against the January 6th protesters, scores of people would have been killed.
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I don't see any sixers using cars during storming. And police we know was outnumbered and could not do anything.
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The fact the J6 police were outnumbered is justification for them using guns, as also the fact they actually were in danger (unlike where most cases of 'they feared for their lives' is baloney). Their actual non-violent response shows how restrained they were in their behaviour, and is a credit to their professionalism and decency. The one shooting by a police officer, that of Ashli Babbitt, was totally justified, as she was committing a felony and attempting to enable a mass attack by the subversives.
Tigers! said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Not a right to arbitrarily block passage on a road. I need to get a permit to do as such. Though I'm uncertain what happened before the video, why her car was like that and why a video was started to start with.
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Those questions are reasonable ones.
When I look at videoes about incidents like this I am always wondering why have we not seen? What happened seconds before the video started. Context does matter.
She should not have been shot and killed.
But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?
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What happened ten seconds beforehand is totally irrelevant.
 
Spacetime Inhabitant said:

Tigers! said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Not a right to arbitrarily block passage on a road. I need to get a permit to do as such. Though I'm uncertain what happened before the video, why her car was like that and why a video was started to start with.
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Those questions are reasonable ones.
When I look at videoes about incidents like this I am always wondering why have we not seen? What happened seconds before the video started. Context does matter.
She should not have been shot and killed.
But what was happneing 10secs before the videoes we see?
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What happened ten seconds beforehand is totally irrelevant.
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Maybe she ran over the ICE officer’s puppy?
 
barbos said:
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
The fact the J6 police were outnumbered is justification for them using guns, as also the fact they actually were in danger
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I know you wanted to see bunch of dead trumpers and police.
Spacetime Inhabitant said:
What happened ten seconds beforehand is totally irrelevant.
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Totally? Even if it is her gunning down (or repeatedly running over them) 10 ICE agents?
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You are incorrect in your claim that I wanted people there (especially the police) killed.
Fanciful hypotheticals have no place in rational discourse. If what you posited happened, the actual event would never have occurred. What if it was ICE agents going on a killing spree? (Incidentally, a much more plausible scenario).
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Elixir said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
You are doing some Carl Lewis level leaping there with what I actually said versus what I think.
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Straighten me out then, Jimmy, don't pull an Emily. Why are you questioning the heinousness of this murder?
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I responded to something Toni said. If I block a lane of traffic to do work, I typically need permission from the city to do it. It isn't a right to just go out and block traffic. When people go out and block traffic in a protest, that is an act of civil disobedience.

Blocking the road isn't a capital crime or even within the scope of what the E in ICE is supposed to be managing.
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There was a white?(iirc) SUV blocking traffic to her right. She may have been letting other cars go around her first, as can be seen on the video before the slave patrol shows up.
 
ZiprHead said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
Elixir said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
You are doing some Carl Lewis level leaping there with what I actually said versus what I think.
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Straighten me out then, Jimmy, don't pull an Emily. Why are you questioning the heinousness of this murder?
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I responded to something Toni said. If I block a lane of traffic to do work, I typically need permission from the city to do it. It isn't a right to just go out and block traffic. When people go out and block traffic in a protest, that is an act of civil disobedience.

Blocking the road isn't a capital crime or even within the scope of what the E in ICE is supposed to be managing.
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There was a white?(iirc) SUV blocking traffic to her right. She may have been letting other cars go around her first, as can be seen on the video before the slave patrol shows up.
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Whatever. The degree to which she was blocking the road, her intent or lack of intent to block the road, the harm suffered by others due to her blocking the road, the just penalties due for blocking the road, are all IRRELEVANT TRIVIA. She was murdered for laughing in the face of a murderer, not for blocking the road.
 
This is pretty good explanation.
I think all 4 people contributed to her death, and even bystanders unintentionally contributed. ICE agent who tried to open the door had no reason for doing it and probably is the main reason for escalation.
The girlfriend was not as obnoxious as I was initially told by other commentators. Basically I don't really see that much of a harassment. So what happened is that agent was too aggressive and too sudden for no reason, Renee Good got scared and started moving before turning wheels to right and the first agent automatically shot her. His brain thought she was going to run over him.
It was automatic, both their actions were automatic.
And none of that would have happened if the agent had not tried to open the door, it was stupid and unprofessional. She was leaving. Renee probably did not even see the agent who shot her, she was distracted by the agent trying open her door. And the agent himself was distracted by her girlfriend.
 
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barbos said:
Toni said:
Clearly not. She was directed to leave and she was attempting to leave.
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After she tried to block and harrass ICE while her girlfriend was taking video of her doing so.
Look, I blame ICE, but she was clearly provoking them.
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That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation. She was not blocking the road, she'd waved the ICE thugs in the truck go around her vehicle. Bullies, cowards, and people who are quick to anger are not morally fit to hold any type of law enforcement job.
 
As for blocking traffic, I mean who in their right mind park basically between police cars in the middle of some kind of operation?
park away and walk to the protest. But she was leaving and doing that quite peacefully until ICE agent decided to storm her door.
 
Terrell said:
That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.
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It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.
 
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barbos said:
Terrell said:
That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.
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It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.
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Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?
 
Toni said:
barbos said:
Terrell said:
That's no excuse. When you have a gun it is your responsibility to refrain from shooting (at) anyone without justificiation.
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It was an involuntary (automatic) shooting. There was not any time to think.
I put the blame on the other agent.
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Is that why he called her a fucking bitch after he killed her and refused to allow a medical doctor to provide aid?
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Was it really the murderer who said "fucking bitch" in the video?

And ya recusinf to let the doctor see her was more insanity.
 
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