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The Cold Blooded Murder Of Renee Good

Shadowy Man said:
According to our VP, this woman was part of a left wing organization of agitators who attempted to murder an ICE officer who had already almost been murdered but was still on the streets even though he had been traumatized so clearly it was a justified shooting.

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Go a popular social site such as FB and you will encounter countless people defending the shooting and the shooter, who totally buy into Vance's story line. It's basic Right Wing ideology, and these people will not be swayed, and even ridicule other viewpoints. As one wit once said long ago, 1/3 of the people could murder another 1/3 of the people, and those in the middle would just silently watch it happen and shrug.
 
lostone said:
Shadowy Man said:
According to our VP, this woman was part of a left wing organization of agitators who attempted to murder an ICE officer who had already almost been murdered but was still on the streets even though he had been traumatized so clearly it was a justified shooting.

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Go a popular social site such as FB and you will encounter countless people defending the shooting and the shooter, who totally buy into Vance's story line. It's basic Right Wing ideology, and these people will not be swayed, and even ridicule other viewpoints. As one wit once said long ago, 1/3 of the people could murder another 1/3 of the people, and those in the middle would just silently watch it happen and shrug.I
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I assume they all get their "news" from places like NewsMax, aka Fox on steroids. That is where one Trumper I know gets her news. I saw her today at the senior center but was able to control myself from asking her what she thought about the ICE murderer. These people are so stupid, even the nice ones. They are just victims of an evil cult, or as the saying goes, "they've drank the Kool-Aid".
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Personally, I suspect that standing in front of vehicles is now an unwritten policy. This allows them to shoot people because they can simply claim anyone trying to flee was coming at them. I am pretty sure we've seen this before and we are seeing it again in Portland, though less information is available about that incident. What it comes down to is that resistance is being killed. In the broader picture of where we are in a spectrum of fascism, as in "first they came for..." it is now at a level of "then they came for resistance." They are not literally knocking on doors asking people if they are resistance and taking them out, but people who protest are being arrested on trumped up charges, there is hateful rhetoric such as Trump shitting on people, and Otherism propaganda about resistance to include a lot of hateful identity politics and vitriolic stereotypes. Stealing people's cameras while claiming they are trying to dox masked men kidnapping people is a norm. Now also, killing US citizens who protest and flee is becoming a norm. This is where we are. It needs to be recognized for what it is.
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One thing that can almost always be counted on is that the politics of the people pushing this are fairly universally problematic:

They hate the poor, they hate immigrants, they hand-wave away shootings, oppress women for being women instead of men, they oppress women for not wanting to have kids, they oppress poor people by taking away the subsidies the government provides for low-pay workers in food aid, by attacking the poor on the streets, by attacking the weird and the abnormal, by attacking the raped with disbelief, and so on.

It's all simply abysmal Nazi shit.

The "useless people" rhetoric has already started with RFK talking about autistic people as he has been.

It's not like it hasn't been rather apparent, either. It seems the "centrist" label that some cling to is more just a fig leaf to delay the inevitable realization that they're a full throated Nazi in a donkey costume.
 
I can see the latest video helping the ICE narrative. He was bumped by the car that he put himself in front of. It is from his mobile phone, WTF.
ICE generally do not wear body cams. It was like 2 seconds before he fired. He has a history of reckless behavior.
 
Shadowy Man said:
Some (at least one) here are saying that she should have known that engaging with ICE will get you killed so it’s her fault for being so cray cray.
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That would be factually correct. You all call them thugs after all. My impression is that ICE are hiring all kind of crazy people without proper training. So engaging them is taking chances.
 
robnisch said:
I can see the latest video helping the ICE narrative. He was bumped by the car that he put himself in front of. It is from his mobile phone, WTF.
ICE generally do not wear body cams. It was like 2 seconds before he fired. He has a history of reckless behavior.
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Yeah, but at first, right before he fires thru the windshield, he braces himself in front of the car deliberately, INSTEAD of moving away, which he could have simply done at first. After the first shot, he is bumped, and then moves away, then fires two more shots into her face through the driver's side window - those two shots cannot be excused, as a few law enforcement professionals as well as legal authorities have already stated. ETA: I do not think the first shot can be excused either. He did not have to fire at all.

And he is shown walking perfectly fine for a good distance right after the killing, no limp, nothing to indicate anything like a serious injury. You can see he was only bumped, and that being because he was recklessly in front of the car and did not try to move away when the vehicle started moving forward.

Also, you can clearly see in one vid that she is steering away from him. He was toward her left side, in front, and she is clearly, unambiguously steering to the RIGHT.
 
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robnisch said:
I can see the latest video helping the ICE narrative. He was bumped by the car that he put himself in front of. It is from his mobile phone, WTF.
ICE generally do not wear body cams. It was like 2 seconds before he fired. He has a history of reckless behavior.
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I listened to retired police officer (russian-american at that) who is pro-authority and he said that you don't put yourself in front of the car but if you do, then you should let it go if they merely try to leave. That is police procedure for that.
 
southernhybrid said:
lostone said:
Shadowy Man said:
According to our VP, this woman was part of a left wing organization of agitators who attempted to murder an ICE officer who had already almost been murdered but was still on the streets even though he had been traumatized so clearly it was a justified shooting.

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Go a popular social site such as FB and you will encounter countless people defending the shooting and the shooter, who totally buy into Vance's story line. It's basic Right Wing ideology, and these people will not be swayed, and even ridicule other viewpoints. As one wit once said long ago, 1/3 of the people could murder another 1/3 of the people, and those in the middle would just silently watch it happen and shrug.I
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I assume they all get their "news" from places like NewsMax, aka Fox on steroids. That is where one Trumper I know gets her news. I saw her today at the senior center but was able to control myself from asking her what she thought about the ICE murderer. These people are so stupid, even the nice ones. They are just victims of an evil cult, or as the saying goes, "they've drank the Kool-Aid".
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Indeed they have had all the Kool-Aid, and they will vigorously attack anyone who disagrees with them and loudly proclaim that they have 'won' any disputed points and issues. Swaying them even the slightest is close to impossible.
 
barbos said:
robnisch said:
I can see the latest video helping the ICE narrative. He was bumped by the car that he put himself in front of. It is from his mobile phone, WTF.
ICE generally do not wear body cams. It was like 2 seconds before he fired. He has a history of reckless behavior.
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I listened to retired police officer (russian-american at that) who is pro-authority and he said that you don't put yourself in front of the car but if you do, then you should let it go if they merely try to leave. That is police procedure for that.
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Yes, that is what retired police and military are saying here. It is against policy to fire into an occupied vehicle. At the very least, severely injuring or killing the driver causes an unsafe condition for anyone who might be in the way of the vehicle.
 
Toni said:
barbos said:
robnisch said:
I can see the latest video helping the ICE narrative. He was bumped by the car that he put himself in front of. It is from his mobile phone, WTF.
ICE generally do not wear body cams. It was like 2 seconds before he fired. He has a history of reckless behavior.
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I listened to retired police officer (russian-american at that) who is pro-authority and he said that you don't put yourself in front of the car but if you do, then you should let it go if they merely try to leave. That is police procedure for that.
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Yes, that is what retired police and military are saying here. It is against policy to fire into an occupied vehicle. At the very least, severely injuring or killing the driver causes an unsafe condition for anyone who might be in the way of the vehicle.
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Well it’s more complicated than that. You can fire into a vehicle under certain circumstances, but if you can simply step out of the way you must do so according to the DoJ policy. This was murder.
 
Thirty years ago when I was in university Political Science was my minor. In one or two of our courses the books and professors said nations were gangs and lived on the principle of might makes right not morality. No one challenges this assessment

Going one step further if nations are gangs then they are led by gang leaders. Our elites are gangs and pimp their own people for wealth and power. And as someone earlier posted there are a lot of people who are grifters lower on the totem pole who will gladly go along for fun and or get money themselves. Also, gangs, mob, whatever you call it to further their own aims will sometimes do things for people living in their turf that seem good and kind but really just to further their own ends. The police, courts, social services seem a way to help the common citizen but really are just tools for elite control. The laws made will always ultimately reflect elite interests and the courts will change or make opinions in rulings that benefit the elite even when they seem to benefit minorities or common people. I read the reason the Supreme Court overuled segregation in Brown was because of fear of market and resource loss to the Soviets. Society and much of its claims are just a farce.
 
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I will add that the woman did try to drive off and was wrong in doing so I do think she didnt need to be shot. The ICE officer was probably pissed at her being a protestor and leader of protestors and was looking for a reason to get her. She provided what in his mind was an excuse to pop her. He did get in front of her car which was a no no and he appears to be able to get out of the way or pushed out of the way unharmed
. He just wanted to hurt someone.

One thing I have learned from Trump is how cruel and loving of hurting other people many people are
 
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BH said:
I will add that the woman did try to drive off and was wrong in doing so I do think she didnt need to be shot. The ICE officer was probably pissed at her being a protestor and leader of protestors and was looking for a reason to get her. She provided what in his mind was an excuse to pop her. He did get in front of her car which was a no no and he appears to be able to get out of the way or pushed out of the way unharmed
. He just wanted to hurt someone.

One thing I have learned from Trump is how cruel and loving of hurting other people many people are
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“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering
 
Jarhyn said:
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Personally, I suspect that standing in front of vehicles is now an unwritten policy. This allows them to shoot people because they can simply claim anyone trying to flee was coming at them. I am pretty sure we've seen this before and we are seeing it again in Portland, though less information is available about that incident. What it comes down to is that resistance is being killed. In the broader picture of where we are in a spectrum of fascism, as in "first they came for..." it is now at a level of "then they came for resistance." They are not literally knocking on doors asking people if they are resistance and taking them out, but people who protest are being arrested on trumped up charges, there is hateful rhetoric such as Trump shitting on people, and Otherism propaganda about resistance to include a lot of hateful identity politics and vitriolic stereotypes. Stealing people's cameras while claiming they are trying to dox masked men kidnapping people is a norm. Now also, killing US citizens who protest and flee is becoming a norm. This is where we are. It needs to be recognized for what it is.
Click to expand...
One thing that can almost always be counted on is that the politics of the people pushing this are fairly universally problematic:

They hate the poor, they hate immigrants, they hand-wave away shootings, oppress women for being women instead of men, they oppress women for not wanting to have kids, they oppress poor people by taking away the subsidies the government provides for low-pay workers in food aid, by attacking the poor on the streets, by attacking the weird and the abnormal, by attacking the raped with disbelief, and so on.

It's all simply abysmal Nazi shit.

The "useless people" rhetoric has already started with RFK talking about autistic people as he has been.

It's not like it hasn't been rather apparent, either. It seems the "centrist" label that some cling to is more just a fig leaf to delay the inevitable realization that they're a full throated Nazi in a donkey costume.
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A decent number of immigrants are pretty socially conservative and support Trump for that reason and also because the ‘strong man’ leader is what they are familiar with. Some immigrants are angry at undocumented immigrants because they did not go through all the same red waiting/etc. that the legal ones did. And of course there are quotas from some areas of the world, notably those with more heavily melaninated skin tones.

A good counter argument is that the undocumented workers had/have a much more difficult struggle, and much more to fear.
 
I don't condone her murder, but she may have been known to ICE as an activist. Ice Watch. This may not have been her first rodeo.
 
robnisch said:
I don't condone her murder, but she may have been known to ICE as an activist. Ice Watch. This may not have been her first rodeo.
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So what? Being an activist is not illegal or even frowned upon except by goose stepping fascists.

I’ve been to more than one protest. I’ve marched on Washington DC ( Trump’s first term).

Ice are the ones committing crimes.
 
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