Larry Baer

[TSwizzle]

It makes no difference who took the phone, it's his phone and he asked for it back. She should have returned the phone to him.



It's his phone.

He should not have knocked her to the ground.

He didn't knock her to the ground. She lost her balance and fell of her chair when she refused to let go of his phone. If she had released her grip on the phone, like a normal person, she would have been fine.

 

[Toni]

It makes no difference who took the phone, it's his phone and he asked for it back. She should have returned the phone to him.



It's his phone.

He should not have knocked her to the ground.

He didn't knock her to the ground. She lost her balance and fell of her chair when she refused to let go of his phone. If she had released her grip on the phone, like a normal person, she would have been fine.

She lost her balance because of what he did. If he had behaved as a normal person, she would not have fallen.

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Ya, and it's the resistance of the victim that makes a rapist out of a man who just wants to stick his dick wherever he wants regardless of how the other person feels about it.

Ya, but she's the rapist here. She's fingering his phone without consent. He stops the phone rape.

But was it really rape? I mean, the phone was sitting there in that skimpy little transparent case, so it was kind of asking for it.

It's always lovely to see men equating raping women with....touching a phone. Nice to see your priorities out in the open.

 

[TSwizzle]

She lost her balance because of what he did. If he had behaved as a normal person, she would not have fallen.

She lost her balance because of gravity, invented by a white male to punish women.

 

[Toni]

She lost her balance because of what he did. If he had behaved as a normal person, she would not have fallen.

She lost her balance because of gravity, invented by a white male to punish women.

Absolutely anything to avoid acknowledging that he was a violent bully.

So utterly unsurprising.

 

[laughing dog]

She lost her balance because of what he did. If he had behaved as a normal person, she would not have fallen.

She lost her balance because of gravity, invented by a white male to punish women.

Gravity could not possibly cause someone sitting down to lose their balance.

 

[dismal]

Seems to me there is a lot of exaggeration going on in the initial incident and these comments. First off, she seems to be overly melodramatic with her "oh my god!, oh my god!" when he tries to get his phone back and she tips over in her chair. She acts like she's getting mugged by a stranger. I wonder if she's purposely doing that to get attention from nearby people, so as to make him look as bad as possible. There have been numerous times when I've come running over to a woman who screamed like she's being attacked by a bear, only to find out she saw a harmless spider or a mouse or a scary face in her coffee foam. The reaction is not always an indication of the severity or the danger.

We call this incident "violence", "assault", etc. That seems a bit much to me, based on the video. I suppose now she is considered a "survivor" (as if there was ever any chance of death here), and will be entering a DV shelter while he loses his hard fought career of many decades. There are real, horrific cases of assault and violence against women out there, and to use the same language here diminishes what those victims go through. From what I hear, he is actually taking a voluntary leave of absence for an indefinite period of time, so who knows where this will lead. Maybe the radical feminists will get their pound of flesh from him the same way they did with Professor Tim Hunt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hunt

Y'all are acting as though he is retrieving his phone from a stranger.

In fact, it's his wife who picked up his phone when he was away from the table (or so it appears).

In all probability, the phones are under a joint account. It is likely that they simply decided one phone was his and one was hers. It is even possible she did not know when she picked it up that it was his and not hers. We don't actually know the ins and outs.

Perhaps she was being dramatic. Certainly he was. There seems to have been zero compelling reason for him to snatch the phone away from her, with such force that she fell to the ground. Please note the amount of body contact between a standing Larry Baer and a sitting Pamela Baer. He leaned across her body in such a way that he made full contact with her.

When I was a kid, sometimes my younger sibling took something that belonged to me and wouldn't return it to me the first or the first 10 times I asked for it back. My parents really enforced that it was not OK for me to knock my sibling to the ground or otherwise assault my sibling in order to regain my property. Usually this was followed by a stern lecture about sharing--directed at me. If I can learn to behave decently by the time I was 9 or 10 years old, why can't a grown ass man?

When you start carving out special expectations for her because she's a woman or his wife it shows you have a losing position. Women are entitled to equal treatment. How spouses ought to treat one another is for spouses to decide. They do not necessarily subscribe to your notions of spousal gallantry.

 

[dismal]

She lost her balance because of what he did. If he had behaved as a normal person, she would not have fallen.

She lost her balance because of gravity, invented by a white male to punish women.

Absolutely anything to avoid acknowledging that he was a violent bully.

So utterly unsurprising.

You keep saying it as if it makes it true. We can see the video. There is no evidence he initiates any violence directed at her. All his actions and intent are to get his phone, wrongfully in her possession, back.

Watch where his eyes are focused. Watch where his actions are focused. Entirely on his phone.
hpnose

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Seems to me there is a lot of exaggeration going on in the initial incident and these comments. First off, she seems to be overly melodramatic with her "oh my god!, oh my god!" when he tries to get his phone back and she tips over in her chair. She acts like she's getting mugged by a stranger. I wonder if she's purposely doing that to get attention from nearby people, so as to make him look as bad as possible. There have been numerous times when I've come running over to a woman who screamed like she's being attacked by a bear, only to find out she saw a harmless spider or a mouse or a scary face in her coffee foam. The reaction is not always an indication of the severity or the danger.

We call this incident "violence", "assault", etc. That seems a bit much to me, based on the video. I suppose now she is considered a "survivor" (as if there was ever any chance of death here), and will be entering a DV shelter while he loses his hard fought career of many decades. There are real, horrific cases of assault and violence against women out there, and to use the same language here diminishes what those victims go through. From what I hear, he is actually taking a voluntary leave of absence for an indefinite period of time, so who knows where this will lead. Maybe the radical feminists will get their pound of flesh from him the same way they did with Professor Tim Hunt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hunt

Y'all are acting as though he is retrieving his phone from a stranger.

In fact, it's his wife who picked up his phone when he was away from the table (or so it appears).

In all probability, the phones are under a joint account. It is likely that they simply decided one phone was his and one was hers. It is even possible she did not know when she picked it up that it was his and not hers. We don't actually know the ins and outs.

Perhaps she was being dramatic. Certainly he was. There seems to have been zero compelling reason for him to snatch the phone away from her, with such force that she fell to the ground. Please note the amount of body contact between a standing Larry Baer and a sitting Pamela Baer. He leaned across her body in such a way that he made full contact with her.

When I was a kid, sometimes my younger sibling took something that belonged to me and wouldn't return it to me the first or the first 10 times I asked for it back. My parents really enforced that it was not OK for me to knock my sibling to the ground or otherwise assault my sibling in order to regain my property. Usually this was followed by a stern lecture about sharing--directed at me. If I can learn to behave decently by the time I was 9 or 10 years old, why can't a grown ass man?

When you start carving out special expectations for her because she's a woman or his wife it shows you have a losing position. Women are entitled to equal treatment. How spouses ought to treat one another is for spouses to decide. They do not necessarily subscribe to your notions of spousal gallantry.

It's also a bad sign for your argument when you compare him to a rapist and murderer and her to a child.

She's the aggressor. She's the wrongdoer. She's the one acting without consent. His actions are aimed at setting her wrongs right.

 

[TSwizzle]

She lost her balance because of what he did. If he had behaved as a normal person, she would not have fallen.

She lost her balance because of gravity, invented by a white male to punish women.

Absolutely anything to avoid acknowledging that he was a violent bully.

So utterly unsurprising.

I acknowledged his asshole behavior many pages ago. But he did not "throw her to the ground" as you claim.

This ugly scene could have been avoided if she had passed over the phone when asked or released her grip on the phone when he grabbed it.

 

[laughing dog]

Absolutely anything to avoid acknowledging that he was a violent bully.

So utterly unsurprising.

You keep saying it as if it makes it true. We can see the video.

Of course you have the ability to see the video (assuming you are not blind).

There is no evidence he initiates any violence directed at her.

This is evidence that while you may have the capacity to see the video, you either have not watched the video with your eyes open and your head uncovered. If no violence had been directed at her, she would not have fallen out of her chair. It doesn't matter whether Mr. Baer intended to direct violence or not towards Mrs. Baer: the video evidence is incontrovertible.

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Absolutely anything to avoid acknowledging that he was a violent bully.

So utterly unsurprising.

I acknowledged his asshole behavior many pages ago. But he did not "throw her to the ground" as you claim.

This ugly scene could have been avoided if she had passed over the phone when asked or released her grip on the phone when he grabbed it.

It also could have been avoided if he had not grabbed the phone and twist it out of hand causing her to fall.

 

[repoman]

I give it a 95% chance that it was his phone and she was looking for evidence of him lying about an affair, doing drugs or gambling, hiding money and so on.

A 5% chance it was her phone and he was looking for proof she was doing something.

 

[Toni]

Absolutely anything to avoid acknowledging that he was a violent bully.

So utterly unsurprising.

You keep saying it as if it makes it true. We can see the video. There is no evidence he initiates any violence directed at her. All his actions and intent are to get his phone, wrongfully in her possession, back.

Watch where his eyes are focused. Watch where his actions are focused. Entirely on his phone.
hpnose

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Seems to me there is a lot of exaggeration going on in the initial incident and these comments. First off, she seems to be overly melodramatic with her "oh my god!, oh my god!" when he tries to get his phone back and she tips over in her chair. She acts like she's getting mugged by a stranger. I wonder if she's purposely doing that to get attention from nearby people, so as to make him look as bad as possible. There have been numerous times when I've come running over to a woman who screamed like she's being attacked by a bear, only to find out she saw a harmless spider or a mouse or a scary face in her coffee foam. The reaction is not always an indication of the severity or the danger.

We call this incident "violence", "assault", etc. That seems a bit much to me, based on the video. I suppose now she is considered a "survivor" (as if there was ever any chance of death here), and will be entering a DV shelter while he loses his hard fought career of many decades. There are real, horrific cases of assault and violence against women out there, and to use the same language here diminishes what those victims go through. From what I hear, he is actually taking a voluntary leave of absence for an indefinite period of time, so who knows where this will lead. Maybe the radical feminists will get their pound of flesh from him the same way they did with Professor Tim Hunt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hunt

Y'all are acting as though he is retrieving his phone from a stranger.

In fact, it's his wife who picked up his phone when he was away from the table (or so it appears).

In all probability, the phones are under a joint account. It is likely that they simply decided one phone was his and one was hers. It is even possible she did not know when she picked it up that it was his and not hers. We don't actually know the ins and outs.

Perhaps she was being dramatic. Certainly he was. There seems to have been zero compelling reason for him to snatch the phone away from her, with such force that she fell to the ground. Please note the amount of body contact between a standing Larry Baer and a sitting Pamela Baer. He leaned across her body in such a way that he made full contact with her.

When I was a kid, sometimes my younger sibling took something that belonged to me and wouldn't return it to me the first or the first 10 times I asked for it back. My parents really enforced that it was not OK for me to knock my sibling to the ground or otherwise assault my sibling in order to regain my property. Usually this was followed by a stern lecture about sharing--directed at me. If I can learn to behave decently by the time I was 9 or 10 years old, why can't a grown ass man?

When you start carving out special expectations for her because she's a woman or his wife it shows you have a losing position. Women are entitled to equal treatment. How spouses ought to treat one another is for spouses to decide. They do not necessarily subscribe to your notions of spousal gallantry.

It's also a bad sign for your argument when you compare him to a rapist and murderer and her to a child.

She's the aggressor. She's the wrongdoer. She's the one acting without consent. His actions are aimed at setting her wrongs right.

Can you show me where I compared him to a rapist or a murderer? Or where I compared her to a child?

The video shows zero signs of aggression on her part. It does show him behaving aggressively. People who rushed to her aid seem to agree with that assessment. So does the MLB. Doubtless, so will her divorce attorney and I strongly suspect, the judge.

 

[dismal]

The video shows zero signs of aggression on her part. It does show him behaving aggressively. People who rushed to her aid seem to agree with that assessment. So does the MLB. Doubtless, so will her divorce attorney and I strongly suspect, the judge.

She took his phone. He took it back. She initiated it. She committed a wrongful act. He didn't initiate it. He didn't commit a wrongful act.

 

[southernhybrid]

I haven't read this entire thread, so perhaps someone has already mentioned that Baer apologized to his wife, stated that he acted in appropriately and she accepted his apology, claiming that what happened wasn't his fault. But, it's common for a woman to say that after an altercation such as the one that happened between the wo of them. But, there is a little more news.


https://abc13.com/sports/giants-ceo-taking-leave-of-absence-after-altercation-with-wife/5168594/

SAN FRANCISCO, California -- San Francisco Giants CEO Larry Baer will be taking a leave of absence from the team after a physical altercation he had with his wife was caught on camera.

In the video obtained by TMZ, Larry Baer can be seen reaching across his wife as she's sitting in a public park in Hayes Valley and grabbing a cell phone. She falls to the ground as Baer appears to wrestle the phone from her hand.

Baer provided a statement to ABC7 News which read, "I am truly sorry for the pain that I have brought to my wife, children and to the organization. It is not reflective of the kind of a person that I aspire to be, but it happened and I will do whatever it takes to make sure that I never behave in such an inappropriate manner again."

Pam Baer released a separate statement:

"I would like to clarify the events of today. My husband and I had an argument in public about which we are quite embarrassed. I took his cell phone. He wanted it back and I did not want to give it back. I started to get up & the chair I was sitting in began to tip. Due to an injury I sustained in my foot 3 days ago, I lost my balance. I did not sustain any injury based on what happened today. Larry & I always have been & still are happily married."

At least he admitted that he did something wrong. His wife apparently wants this to be over, and that may be why she's so quick to say that it wasn't his fault. I still feel like he acted very inappropriately. He lost his temper and was too forceful, knowing that his wife had an injured foot. I guess they want to work things out. But, I do think it's odd that he's taking a LOA after this happened. What's that about?

 

[laughing dog]

The video shows zero signs of aggression on her part. It does show him behaving aggressively. People who rushed to her aid seem to agree with that assessment. So does the MLB. Doubtless, so will her divorce attorney and I strongly suspect, the judge.

She took his phone. He took it back. She initiated it. She committed a wrongful act. He didn't initiate it. He didn't commit a wrongful act.

You keep saying it as if it is true. If he did not commit a wrongful act, she would not have ended up on the ground.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The video shows zero signs of aggression on her part. It does show him behaving aggressively. People who rushed to her aid seem to agree with that assessment. So does the MLB. Doubtless, so will her divorce attorney and I strongly suspect, the judge.

She took his phone. He took it back. She initiated it. She committed a wrongful act. He didn't initiate it. He didn't commit a wrongful act.

You keep saying it as if it is true. If he did not commit a wrongful act, she would not have ended up on the ground.

And if a corporation hadn't made the cell phone in the first place, their phone would be at their house attached to the wall and there wouldn't be an issue of taking it.

The real villain here is capitalism.

 

[dismal]

I haven't read this entire thread, so perhaps someone has already mentioned that Baer apologized to his wife, stated that he acted in appropriately and she accepted his apology, claiming that what happened wasn't his fault. But, it's common for a woman to say that after an altercation such as the one that happened between the wo of them. But, there is a little more news.


https://abc13.com/sports/giants-ceo-taking-leave-of-absence-after-altercation-with-wife/5168594/

SAN FRANCISCO, California -- San Francisco Giants CEO Larry Baer will be taking a leave of absence from the team after a physical altercation he had with his wife was caught on camera.

In the video obtained by TMZ, Larry Baer can be seen reaching across his wife as she's sitting in a public park in Hayes Valley and grabbing a cell phone. She falls to the ground as Baer appears to wrestle the phone from her hand.

Baer provided a statement to ABC7 News which read, "I am truly sorry for the pain that I have brought to my wife, children and to the organization. It is not reflective of the kind of a person that I aspire to be, but it happened and I will do whatever it takes to make sure that I never behave in such an inappropriate manner again."

Pam Baer released a separate statement:

"I would like to clarify the events of today. My husband and I had an argument in public about which we are quite embarrassed. I took his cell phone. He wanted it back and I did not want to give it back. I started to get up & the chair I was sitting in began to tip. Due to an injury I sustained in my foot 3 days ago, I lost my balance. I did not sustain any injury based on what happened today. Larry & I always have been & still are happily married."

At least he admitted that he did something wrong. His wife apparently wants this to be over, and that may be why she's so quick to say that it wasn't his fault. I still feel like he acted very inappropriately. He lost his temper and was too forceful, knowing that his wife had an injured foot. I guess they want to work things out. But, I do think it's odd that he's taking a LOA after this happened. What's that about?

You seem to be confusing "public relations" with "right and wrong".

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You keep saying it as if it is true. If he did not commit a wrongful act, she would not have ended up on the ground.

And if a corporation hadn't made the cell phone in the first place, their phone would be at their house attached to the wall and there wouldn't be an issue of taking it.

The real villain here is capitalism.

She exerted force normal to the ground, whereas he exerted force parallel to the ground. Because of that pulling and not because of her own force, she ended up on the ground. To pretend that is as inconsequential and non-proximal to the situation as capitalism is disingenuous.

 

[dismal]

You keep saying it as if it is true. If he did not commit a wrongful act, she would not have ended up on the ground.

And if a corporation hadn't made the cell phone in the first place, their phone would be at their house attached to the wall and there wouldn't be an issue of taking it.

The real villain here is capitalism.

She exerted force normal to the ground, whereas he exerted force parallel to the ground. Because of that pulling and not because of her own force, she ended up on the ground. To pretend that is as inconsequential and non-proximal to the situation as capitalism is disingenuous.

He exerted force on this phone. She was wrongly and without permission holding it at the time and didn't let go, so she fell to the ground.

 

[Toni]

I haven't read this entire thread, so perhaps someone has already mentioned that Baer apologized to his wife, stated that he acted in appropriately and she accepted his apology, claiming that what happened wasn't his fault. But, it's common for a woman to say that after an altercation such as the one that happened between the wo of them. But, there is a little more news.


https://abc13.com/sports/giants-ceo-taking-leave-of-absence-after-altercation-with-wife/5168594/

SAN FRANCISCO, California -- San Francisco Giants CEO Larry Baer will be taking a leave of absence from the team after a physical altercation he had with his wife was caught on camera.

In the video obtained by TMZ, Larry Baer can be seen reaching across his wife as she's sitting in a public park in Hayes Valley and grabbing a cell phone. She falls to the ground as Baer appears to wrestle the phone from her hand.

Baer provided a statement to ABC7 News which read, "I am truly sorry for the pain that I have brought to my wife, children and to the organization. It is not reflective of the kind of a person that I aspire to be, but it happened and I will do whatever it takes to make sure that I never behave in such an inappropriate manner again."

Pam Baer released a separate statement:

"I would like to clarify the events of today. My husband and I had an argument in public about which we are quite embarrassed. I took his cell phone. He wanted it back and I did not want to give it back. I started to get up & the chair I was sitting in began to tip. Due to an injury I sustained in my foot 3 days ago, I lost my balance. I did not sustain any injury based on what happened today. Larry & I always have been & still are happily married."

At least he admitted that he did something wrong. His wife apparently wants this to be over, and that may be why she's so quick to say that it wasn't his fault. I still feel like he acted very inappropriately. He lost his temper and was too forceful, knowing that his wife had an injured foot. I guess they want to work things out. But, I do think it's odd that he's taking a LOA after this happened. What's that about?

There's supposed to be a zero tolerance policy towards members of the MLB organization with regards to domestic violence.

My guess is that the leave of absence is the better of his choices.

I'd like to believe that this is a stupid domestic spat made viral because of who the couple is. I'd like to believe that he made a sincere apology to his wife in private and not merely as part of his plea deal with the MLB. I'd like to believe that she is acknowledging her contribution to the contretemps of her own volition and not because she is afraid of her husband's temper if she doesn't or afraid that her husband will lose his job if she doesn't.

That would be nice.

 

[Toni]

She exerted force normal to the ground, whereas he exerted force parallel to the ground. Because of that pulling and not because of her own force, she ended up on the ground. To pretend that is as inconsequential and non-proximal to the situation as capitalism is disingenuous.

He exerted force on this phone. She was wrongly and without permission holding it at the time and didn't let go, so she fell to the ground.

Then why did he apologize? Oh, wait: he didn't really apologize.

I dont' require my husband's explicit permission to touch his cell phone. Do you require that of your wife?