Republcians: Waaaah! Criticizing people for rape is character assassination! Waaaaaaah!

[Underseer]

Here's an article of conservative snowflakes whining that criticism of Kavanaugh is tantamount to character assassination because all conservatives are precious princess snowflakes who must never be criticized no matter what they do:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...tesque-character-assassination-from-the-left/

Meanwhile, let me change the subject and talk for a moment about what real "character assassination" looks like. Once again, we find that those precious princesses can't handle a fraction of what they dish out.

https://hillreporter.com/the-krasse...t-the-alt-rights-ignorance-is-staggering-8203

But let's just ignore that and keep crying about the perfectly legitimate criticisms of Kavanaugh. Did I mention that the Republicans are still hiding a massive number of documents on him? The attempted rape, the gang rape, and repeated acts of perjury is just what we know about. Presumably, the documents Republicans are hiding detail things that are much worse.

What's funny about all of this is that now we know Kavanaugh's past. All those times he was participating in all that stuff with Ken Starr and Bill Clinton, we know he was criticizing Clinton when he knew he was guilty of much worse than the things he was accusing Clinton of. Poetic justice.

 

[whollygoats]

What's funny about all of this is that now we know Kavanaugh's past. All those times he was participating in all that stuff with Ken Starr and Bill Clinton, we know he was criticizing Clinton when he knew he was guilty of much worse than the things he was accusing Clinton of. Poetic justice.

That is Standard Operating Procedure with Republicans. Never accuse anybody else unless you have committed the same.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I want to hear testimony before I make up my mind. I don't know enough to have an informed opinion right now ... and possibly won't after testimony. Seems to be a lot of shucking and jiving on both sides of the fence here.

 

[Politesse]

Neither party is acquitting itself with what I would call honor, here; a very cynical treatment of rape and abuse by all quarters, whether using it as a political tool for delaying a hopeless vote or denying their weight and horror just to fast-track the same. I don't think the Congress is the correct body to decide on the truth of these accusations, in part because I frankly wouldn't trust the lot of them to watch my kid for the afternoon, let alone render a fair and unbiased verdict on a serious legal case.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Neither party is acquitting itself with what I would call honor, here; a very cynical treatment of rape and abuse by all quarters, whether using it as a political tool for delaying a hopeless vote or denying their weight and horror just to fast-track the same. I don't think the Congress is the correct body to decide on the truth of these accusations, in part because I frankly wouldn't trust the lot of them to watch my kid for the afternoon, let alone render a fair and unbiased verdict on a serious legal case.

I agree with everything you said except that I do think it ought to have been brought up and that Congress does have a place here, though it is for impeachment of a federal judge. Because he is nominated for a higher office, he ought to be looked at for impeachment of his current job first. The sexual misdeeds also ought to only be a small part of the whole thing because perjury and other things are also on the table. There has to be a way to process all that prior to confirmation but without the circus.

 

[lpetrich]

The right wing likes to grumble about criminal coddling and criminals getting away with their crimes because of technicalities. Now they are demanding for their heroes what they want to deny to others. If they want to do "Crooked Hillary" insinuations, then they should suffer the same thing. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I want to hear testimony before I make up my mind. I don't know enough to have an informed opinion right now ... and possibly won't after testimony. Seems to be a lot of shucking and jiving on both sides of the fence here.

Well, if you are saying that Dr. Ford is shucking and jiving, that must mean you think she is lying.

 

[Sarpedon]

It is hard to see any benefit for Dr Ford in this. I tend to judge the one who acts with the least benefit as the one who is most honest.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It is hard to see any benefit for Dr Ford in this. I tend to judge the one who acts with the least benefit as the one who is most honest.

She is a political operative and doing this for political gain because if Kavanaugh doesn't get confirmed, Trump has to nominate RBG II to the bench. Or something like that.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I nowant to hear testimony before I make up my mind. I don't know enough to have an informed opinion right now ...

Wow. You are taking an unbelievably refreshing approach in this day of partisanship.

 

[untermensche]

This is the way it is going to go down.

The accuser(s) of Kavanaugh will speak.

Like Anita Hill spoke.

There will be no corroborating evidence, just one person's word against the other.

Kavanaugh will simply deny any accusation and that will be the end of it.

Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.

The days of Bork are over. That doesn't happen anymore.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I want to hear testimony before I make up my mind. I don't know enough to have an informed opinion right now ... and possibly won't after testimony. Seems to be a lot of shucking and jiving on both sides of the fence here.

Wow. You are taking an unbelievably refreshing approach. Kudos to you sir/mam.

Firstly, there is evidence provided by Dr. Ford indicating she raised this happened in 2012. So we already have evidence suggesting this is not merely a hit job. In fact, that evidence is perhaps the only evidence we have of any potential incident involving her... short of the alleged accomplice stepping forward regarding a crime where the statute of limitations has not (and will not) pass.

Almost nothing can be said by Dr. Ford (short of "I made it all up") that'll change what we do know about the allegation. There is no evidence from the alleged assault that dates to the time it allegedly happened. All that is left is talk in front of a bunch of stuffy suits in DC.

To make matters worse it is very possible that Kavanaugh has no memory of the incident, if it happened, due to his drunken state. So he could be telling the truth and be guilty of committing an act of sexual assault.

So short of Avenatti dropping an A-Bomb with new revelations, the only real tangible thing we have is how Kavanaugh has responded to the allegations (not well) and piecing what we do know. We know that Kavanaugh was (is?) a heavy drinker, we know that Kavanaugh alleged being in a sex conquest group, a Renate Alumnus (though he lied poorly about it), which is exceedingly crass! Oh yeah, he also committed perjury in Senate testimony and his debt disappearing is insanely suspicious. Not to forget we have limited info regarding his involvement with the torture documents as well as using stolen documents when in the White House.

This guy is damaged goods. The Republicans, for whatever reason, are trying to shove him through confirmation. There has to be at least a half dozen other equally qualified (and hopefully lesser tainted) people they could immediately get up into the nomination position and be confirmed prior to January. But for some reason, Kavanaugh is their man.

 

[phands]

Seems to be a lot of shucking and jiving on both sides of the fence here.

The responsibility for all this behaviour lies firmly with the gop and McConnel in particular. The refusal to even have a hearing on Garland; the establishment of the rule that judges don't get heard in an election year, and it's subsequent reversal with the foul Kavanaugh; the disregard for due process; the abandonment of principles of normal discussion; the refusal to allow corroborating witnesses....and much more all came from the filthy worm McConnel. That the dems tried to play the same game finally shows that they are starting to realize that playing honourably is no longer a good approach.

 

[Terrell]

This is the way it is going to go down.

The accuser(s) of Kavanaugh will speak.

Like Anita Hill spoke.

There will be no corroborating evidence, just one person's word against the other.

Kavanaugh will simply deny any accusation and that will be the end of it.

Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.

The days of Bork are over. That doesn't happen anymore.

This is probably what's going to happen. I don't see Kavanaugh failing to get the seat. If he did fail, how do we know that Trump's next choice won't be worse? TBH I don't think we'll ever know who is telling the truth here; people will believe what they want to believe.

 

[Gospel]

This is the way it is going to go down.

The accuser(s) of Kavanaugh will speak.

Like Anita Hill spoke.

There will be no corroborating evidence, just one person's word against the other.

Kavanaugh will simply deny any accusation and that will be the end of it.

Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.

The days of Bork are over. That doesn't happen anymore.

My Prediction;
Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.
Kavanaugh is going to be impeached soon after.

Both the Republicans and the Democrats will get a slice of that awfully sweet cake.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is the way it is going to go down.

The accuser(s) of Kavanaugh will speak.

Like Anita Hill spoke.

There will be no corroborating evidence, just one person's word against the other.

Kavanaugh will simply deny any accusation and that will be the end of it.

Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.

The days of Bork are over. That doesn't happen anymore.

My Prediction;
Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.
Kavanaugh is going to be impeached soon after.

Both the Republicans and the Democrats will get a slice of that awfully sweet cake.

It isn't as simple as impeachment. You need what, 60 or 2/3's vote in the Senate?

I just don't understand why the Republicans have such a raging hard one for Kavanaugh.

 

[ZiprHead]

This is the way it is going to go down.

The accuser(s) of Kavanaugh will speak.

Like Anita Hill spoke.

There will be no corroborating evidence, just one person's word against the other.

Kavanaugh will simply deny any accusation and that will be the end of it.

Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.

The days of Bork are over. That doesn't happen anymore.

My Prediction;
Kavanaugh is going to be on the Court.
Kavanaugh is going to be impeached soon after.

Both the Republicans and the Democrats will get a slice of that awfully sweet cake.

It isn't as simple as impeachment. You need what, 60 or 2/3's vote in the Senate?

I just don't understand why the Republicans have such a raging hard one for Kavanaugh.

They want someone in the seat before the mid-terms. They got their partisan guy who will rule as they see fit. Fuck stare decisis, fuck expanding people's rights. They are using scorched earth tactics to take over and rule, and create a right wing authoritarian society..

 

[Gospel]

A Senate majority changing to favor the democrats is a part of my prediction along with an FBI investigation into the accusations supporting a perjury charge is a part of my prediction as well. I just didn't want to write all the details. So yeah, both him getting on the court and off it being easy is my prediction.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A Senate majority changing to favor the democrats is a part of my prediction along with an FBI investigation into the accusations supporting a perjury charge is a part of my prediction as well. I just didn't want to write all the details. So yeah, both him getting on the court and off it being easy is my prediction.

The Senate is possibly within hand of the Democrats, but it will take a near sweep of the Senate races, including winning in TX, AZ, and ND. And after the 2010 and 2016 elections, I just have no faith in enough of the American people.

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It isn't as simple as impeachment. You need what, 60 or 2/3's vote in the Senate?

I just don't understand why the Republicans have such a raging hard one for Kavanaugh.

They want someone in the seat before the mid-terms. They got their partisan guy who will rule as they see fit. Fuck stare decisis, fuck expanding people's rights. They are using scorched earth tactics to take over and rule, and create a right wing authoritarian society..

Yeah, but they've got no one else after Kavanaugh? I doubt that.

 

[untermensche]

It isn't as simple as impeachment. You need what, 60 or 2/3's vote in the Senate?

I just don't understand why the Republicans have such a raging hard one for Kavanaugh.

They want someone in the seat before the mid-terms. They got their partisan guy who will rule as they see fit. Fuck stare decisis, fuck expanding people's rights. They are using scorched earth tactics to take over and rule, and create a right wing authoritarian society..

We already have a right wing authoritarian society.

We already have an oligarchy.

This is just strengthening it.

Trump winning will change the country for a while.

That is why I voted for Hillary and tried to convince others to vote for her.

Even though I did not support her.

She was the better of two evils, although much less evil than Trump. It was not a hard choice.