Double standards regarding racism

[laughing dog]

These two people should go to that retreat:
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2...esults-in-firing-of-applebee-s-employees.html

Big stress reliever!

Of course, the retreat is a bit of a capitalist sham, but that's just reality. Still, something good could come out of it.

I would rather send the wrongfully terminated Applebees employees to a retreat. They did nothing wrong. Have we reached the point that if a black person dines and dashes, it is considered "racist" to call police?

You have no factual basis to claim that
1) the Applebees employees were wrongfully terminated,
2) that they did nothing wrong, or
3) claim that calling the police if a black person dines and dashes is considered racist.

 

[Derec]

What is "their own kind"?

In context it is obviously race. Note that it is those women who made their retreat based on race, not thebeave or anybody else.

Is their own kind an oppressed and segregated minority?

Not oppressed and only segregated when they are doing it themselves, as in this case.

A minority that could be legally discriminated against just based on race in my lifetime?

Yeah, but that's just because you're old.

A minority that is incarcerated in high percentages?

A minority that also commits violent crime at high percentages.

Don't blame the victims of centuries of white racism for having bad feelings towards whites.

Everything is white people's fault, including blacks being racist.

Wait till the playing field is level for a few centuries, it isn't level at all for many inner city minorities, and for many whites born poor too, before you complain about remnants of racism.

So basically you want black racists to get a pass for centuries? I reject that sort of special treatment.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Poor Derec.

 

[Derec]

1) the Applebees employees were wrongfully terminated,
2) that they did nothing wrong, or
3) claim that calling the police if a black person dines and dashes is considered racist.

I drew that conclusion from information available. If it was a white person who was mistaken for a dine and dasher nobody would have been fired. Mistakes happen. But if a black person is involved, every mistake is automatically "racism" and results in the whole fucking restaurant being closed, so they can "regroup". Are you fucking kidding me?
But of course in present climate of racial hysteria, even coins are considered racist.

 

[laughing dog]

1) the Applebees employees were wrongfully terminated,
2) that they did nothing wrong, or
3) claim that calling the police if a black person dines and dashes is considered racist.

I drew that conclusion from information available.

No, you drew that conclusion based on your bigoted assumptions.

If it was a white person who was mistaken for a dine and dasher nobody would have been fired.

Fact not in evidence - bigoted assumption number 1.

Mistakes happen. But if a black person is involved, every mistake is automatically "racism" and results in the whole fucking restaurant being closed, so they can "regroup".

Facts not in evidence. Bigoted assumption number 2.

But of course in present climate of racial hysteria, even coins are considered racist.

There was no mention of racism in the coin toss - bigoted assumption number 3.

 

[Derec]

No, you drew that conclusion based on your bigoted assumptions.

Nope. Just reality of double standards and over-sensitivity when it comes to race in our society.

There was no mention of racism in the coin toss - bigoted assumption number 3.

Try again. Shani explicitly referenced Black History Month in his Twitter rant. If he didn't want to make it a racial issue he would not have done that.

 

[laughing dog]

No, you drew that conclusion based on your bigoted assumptions.

Nope. Just reality of double standards and over-sensitivity when it comes to race in our society.

The reality you had no evidence to support any of your claims.

Try again. Shani explicitly referenced Black History Month in his Twitter rant. If he didn't want to make it a racial issue he would not have done that.

And Mr Davis was making the point that his "2-peat" made history. Hence your conclusion is not based on fact (and racism was not mentioned in his calm tweet) and is an exhibit for bigoted assumption number 4.

BTW, is there a special website that the keeps tracks of these minor incidents in the OP to which you refer?

 

[untermensche]

In context it is obviously race. Note that it is those women who made their retreat based on race, not thebeave or anybody else.

They are not merely victims of their own race.

They are in segregated ghettos. Segregated pockets of poverty.

They are victims of concentrated poverty. Created by redlining for decades.

The way it is done now is with the "drug war".

Which is really just a license for those in power to put any group it doesn't like in prison.

Every group is using so-called "illegal drugs" but some are being targeted for incarceration more than others. The poor minorities are targeted to feed the for-profit prison industry.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't see those as comparable.

What you are describing (except WoC) is a positive selection process--those with attribute <x> are welcome.

What Derec is talking about is a negative selection process--only those without attribute <x> are welcome.

Your mistake is assuming Derec has described anything accurately rather than through his own biased filter.

Positive selection process: WoC, Christian, men, women, corporation X, hiking...

Or we can twist every single one of them into Derec's ridiculous claim of discrimination: no white women, no non-Christians, no women, no men, no corporation Y, no non-hikers...

I already pointed out that WoC is a negative, not a positive. The thing is "oC" is "not white". It's not a shared attribute, it's a shared lack-of-attribute.

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Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.

There is only one kind. This statement reeks of racism.

They are human.

As human as you. The exact same thing as you.

Confining people to ghettos based on race makes them more vulnerable to members of their race.

Poverty and all that goes with that, like single parent homes, and lack of opportunity leads to crime.

Not being a member of any particular race.

US racists create and allow the conditions that lead to crime to perpetuate so they can use the crime that will naturally occur whenever there is concentrated poverty to support their racism.

A black person is far more likely to become a crime victim at the hands of another black person than a white person. Not liking that doesn't make it go away.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You think it's stupid?

Unarmed African-Americans are statistically more likely to be killed by police,

I am pretty sure I read that they specifically shown that to be false. Unarmed African-Americans are more likely to meet the police but once they met their blackness does not affect their survival rate. And they meet police more often because their crime rate is higher.

What white pride site provided you with that 'info?'

Actually, blacks are more than twice less likely to be armed when they are shot and killed by police.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1745-9133.12269/full

Once again, not liking reality doesn't make it go away. This has been discussed multiple times on here.

When encountering the police in a hostile fashion (I haven't seen any data for non-hostile encounters, I very much doubt things like the cop I walked up to and asked directions of were recorded anywhere) an unarmed black person is less likely to be shot than an unarmed white person.

Showing that more unarmed blacks are shot is not a rebuttal because it doesn't consider the far higher rate of such encounters in the first place.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

In context it is obviously race. Note that it is those women who made their retreat based on race, not thebeave or anybody else.

They are not merely victims of their own race.

They are in segregated ghettos. Segregated pockets of poverty.

They are victims of concentrated poverty. Created by redlining for decades.

The way it is done now is with the "drug war".

Which is really just a license for those in power to put any group it doesn't like in prison.

Every group is using so-called "illegal drugs" but some are being targeted for incarceration more than others. The poor minorities are targeted to feed the for-profit prison industry.

You're missing what's going on. The cops aren't targeting minorities. If anything, they target whites.

What they do is target the easy targets--the poor. Street dealing is far easier to bust than what happens behind closed doors.

(Why I say they target whites is when you see a nice car driven by a white in drug territory you pretty much know what they're there for and thus they're a likely target.)

 

[RavenSky]

Your mistake is assuming Derec has described anything accurately rather than through his own biased filter.

I have described it accurately and also linked to the video itself where you can hear the racist statements verbatim.

I watched the video AND went to her website AND looked up additional resources about her retreats. As I said, you described what you heard through your own biased filter.

Positive selection process: WoC, Christian, men, women, corporation X, hiking...
Or we can twist every single one of them into Derec's ridiculous claim of discrimination: no white women, no non-Christians, no women, no men, no corporation Y, no non-hikers...

Except that the statements by the organizers leave no doubt that the reason for the retreat is to get away from the hated white people.

Again, YOUR biased interpretation, but even IF accurate, so what? There is still no "double-standard" here, which was your claim.

Hikers get together because they want to engage in that activity with others who like hiking. Not because they want to separate themselves from non-hikers

How do you know? Are you a mind-reader? There is absolutely nothing you can say about a WoC retreat that isn't also true of any other retreat - including wanting to get away from non-hikers, non-vegans, men, women, PoC, rapists, liberals...

RavenSky, why are you so reluctant to acknowledge black racism even when it is as obvious as in this case?

Because it isn't "obvious". You just see what you want to see.

I've already stated my own perception - which is that the retreat organizer seems bitter and bigoted to me - but that does not make the entire concept of a WoC retreat a "double-standard" (YOUR CLAIM) or inherently racist (YOUR CLAIM)

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

These two people should go to that retreat:
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2...esults-in-firing-of-applebee-s-employees.html

Big stress reliever!

Of course, the retreat is a bit of a capitalist sham, but that's just reality. Still, something good could come out of it.

I would rather send the wrongfully terminated Applebees employees to a retreat. They did nothing wrong. Have we reached the point that if a black person dines and dashes, it is considered "racist" to call police?

Nice try, but your commentary reinforces even more why these two ladies deserve a vacation.

 

[laughing dog]

RavenSky, why are you so reluctant to acknowledge black racism even when it is as obvious as in this case?

That is a good question.

I predict somebody will come along and say it can't be racism because black people can't be racist because black people lack power, and other squabbles over semantics.

We won't get an actual clear answer to what you area actually asking here.

If you had actually bothered to actually read the responses in this thread, you would have seen that in post 37, she answered the question - she thinks Andrea is a bit bigoted.

 

[untermensche]

In context it is obviously race. Note that it is those women who made their retreat based on race, not thebeave or anybody else.

They are not merely victims of their own race.

They are in segregated ghettos. Segregated pockets of poverty.

They are victims of concentrated poverty. Created by redlining for decades.

The way it is done now is with the "drug war".

Which is really just a license for those in power to put any group it doesn't like in prison.

Every group is using so-called "illegal drugs" but some are being targeted for incarceration more than others. The poor minorities are targeted to feed the for-profit prison industry.

You're missing what's going on. The cops aren't targeting minorities. If anything, they target whites.

What they do is target the easy targets--the poor. Street dealing is far easier to bust than what happens behind closed doors.

(Why I say they target whites is when you see a nice car driven by a white in drug territory you pretty much know what they're there for and thus they're a likely target.)

There are many racist policies within police departments.

This is a racist nation filled with racists who don't talk about their racism except to their closest racist friends.

You can spot the racists here.

Those consumed with racism from members of a minority with little power that is trapped as a minority in a society founded upon racism with closeted racists all over the place. Even the president. Clearly a closeted racist who directs his message towards racists.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In context it is obviously race. Note that it is those women who made their retreat based on race, not thebeave or anybody else.

They are not merely victims of their own race.

They are in segregated ghettos. Segregated pockets of poverty.

They are victims of concentrated poverty. Created by redlining for decades.

The way it is done now is with the "drug war".

Which is really just a license for those in power to put any group it doesn't like in prison.

Every group is using so-called "illegal drugs" but some are being targeted for incarceration more than others. The poor minorities are targeted to feed the for-profit prison industry.

You're missing what's going on. The cops aren't targeting minorities. If anything, they target whites.

Which is why minorities have more negative findings during car searches? Though, I am not certain what you think you are responding to. Unter is raising the issue of self-driving metrics which lead to crime in the first place. Take a look at East Cleveland. There is a municipality that has absolutely fallen into disarray all the way to the top with its local Government. No, it isn't Beirut, but the cycle of poverty is set in overdrive.

(Why I say they target whites is when you see a nice car driven by a white in drug territory you pretty much know what they're there for and thus they're a likely target.)

One note, putting bullshit in parentheses doesn't actually protect it from greatly due scrutiny.

 

[Playball40]

"their own kind"? Wow

Its kind of ironic that these black women are going on this retreat because they "feel unsafe" around white people, yet statistically speaking, they are much safer around white people than they are around their own kind.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're missing what's going on. The cops aren't targeting minorities. If anything, they target whites.

Which is why minorities have more negative findings during car searches? Though, I am not certain what you think you are responding to. Unter is raising the issue of self-driving metrics which lead to crime in the first place. Take a look at East Cleveland. There is a municipality that has absolutely fallen into disarray all the way to the top with its local Government. No, it isn't Beirut, but the cycle of poverty is set in overdrive.

Search subsequent to arrest is far more likely to find something.

(Why I say they target whites is when you see a nice car driven by a white in drug territory you pretty much know what they're there for and thus they're a likely target.)

One note, putting bullshit in parentheses doesn't actually protect it from greatly due scrutiny.

I was explaining what they do that does specifically target whites.

Cops target things that look out of place.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Cops target things that look out of place.

I don't know, Loren, I think much of the time the cops are called in with a false idea from somebody else or something doesn't get communicated from dispatch. The "false idea" is interesting because it may be racist and leaving out details from dispatch often seems authoritarian. So a white neighbor may call the police on a black guy taking out his garbage or coming home with suitcases and that's pretty racist. OR an example of the authoritarianism is someone may call in that they think a kid has a toy gun but the dispatcher will not communicate that part to the police, letting them be judge of the situation without mentioning the probable innocence of the kid. So, I am thinking that a lot of the time the cops aren't targeting anything by their own choice but instead are relying on a call of where to be.

Of course, the other class of things is as you mention that they stop someone without a call. You could look at the report about Ferguson to see what goes on there. I doubt you will agree and will probably point to some right-wing critique of the report.

 

[Mumbles]

You're missing what's going on. The cops aren't targeting minorities. If anything, they target whites.

Among people who disagree with you - many police, former mayor Michael Bloomberg (who openly stated that he wanted police to target black and Hispanic people even more, in the face of evidence showing that such targeting was failing), Bill Clinton, and of course Dolt 45.

But you've been told this plenty of times already, and simply refuse to look at the evidence - as we saw with the DoJ reports on Ferguson and Baltimore.

As to the OP - There are plenty of white-only retreats, many of which are a bunch of white people who get together specifically to whine and bitch about people who aren't white, how "the jews" are trying to destroy them, and so forth. And frankly, I'd love nothing more than for them to fuck right off, build their own little white homeland wherever, and STAY AWAY. Seems far better than them screaming about how awful it is that black/Hispanic/"muslim"/native Americans are still in America.

Especially that last one.