Charlottesville: video evidence that the alt-right attacked first

[laughing dog]

And this illustrates exactly the point that everyone is trying to make. You're drawing an equivalence between the Crips and the Nazis. That equivalence is invalid because the Crips are in no way as bad as the Nazis.

If someone is living in East LA rather than 1940s Germany then the Crips are much more of a threat.

Wow. People do keep digging when they findselves in an unwanted hole.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think the high altitude is making you loopy. I said I don't believe their speech is protected due to the implied threat within it.

Unless there is a direct threat, any restriction on free speech is "we must become like them to defeat them." When Nietzsche cautioned people to be careful when fighting monsters lest one become a monster, he was not advising people that they should become monsters in order to defeat the monsters.

Must become like them? That seems a stretch.

 

[Derec]

Unless there is a direct threat, any restriction on free speech is "we must become like them to defeat them." When Nietzsche cautioned people to be careful when fighting monsters lest one become a monster, he was not advising people that they should become monsters in order to defeat the monsters.

Must become like them? That seems a stretch.

When everybody who has opinions that deviate in any way from politically correct accepted orthodoxy (blacks, women and Muslims are oppressed even when they are millionaires, #BLM is good, affirmative action is good, etc.) is labeled a Nazi, do not be surprised that this increases the numbers of actual Nazis. When people get insulted, a small but still substantial minority, will go all the way and start resembling the insult.

Look at Germany. While many Germans oppose the unrestricted mass migration of Muslims that Angela Merkel foolishly imposed on them in 2015, all the mainstream parties are reluctant to say anything against mass migration. That drives people to non-mainstream parties and groups. Including violence. When there is no chance to effect change politically, because the choice in the federal elections in September is between the woman who opened the floodgates (Merkel) and the man who would open them even wider (Schulz), despair can set in.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Must become like them? That seems a stretch.

When everybody who has opinions that deviate in any way from politically correct accepted orthodoxy (blacks, women and Muslims are oppressed even when they are millionaires, #BLM is good, affirmative action is good, etc.) is labeled a Nazi, do not be surprised that this increases the numbers of actual Nazis. When people get insulted, a small but still substantial minority, will go all the way and start resembling the insult.

Look at Germany. While many Germans oppose the unrestricted mass migration of Muslims that Angela Merkel foolishly imposed on them in 2015, all the mainstream parties are reluctant to say anything against mass migration. That drives people to non-mainstream parties and groups. Including violence. When there is no chance to effect change politically, because the choice in the federal elections in September is between the woman who opened the floodgates (Merkel) and the man who would open them even wider (Schulz), despair can set in.

What does any of this soapboxing your favorite race issues have to do with groups of white men in Charlottesville who want to kill the Jews?

"The Jews will not replace us!"

"The Jews will not replace us!"

"The Jews will not replace us!"

"I’m here because our Republican values are: standing up for our local white identity…which is under threat; the free market; and killing Jews."

I mean, clearly letting the brown-skinned (not really) Muslims in may be diversifying "local white identity" but that is not how you're trying to frame it, instead as opposition to terroristic religion, completely not what those people are actually complaining about, and further, again your griping has nothing to do with these people wanting to kill Jews. Or do you really already recognize that this is about their genocidal racism and you're telling us we need to stop and bend over for the Nazis by curtailing immigration because you think that will make the problem go away?

 

[Derec]

What does any of this soapboxing your favorite race issues have to do with groups of white men in Charlottesville who want to kill the Jews?

They are despicable. But at first I had no idea the Charlottesville people were actual Nazis, given the carelessness with which Antifas and other lefties throw that term around.
We need to be more careful with terms we use.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

When everybody who has opinions that deviate in any way from politically correct accepted orthodoxy (blacks, women and Muslims are oppressed even when they are millionaires, #BLM is good, affirmative action is good, etc.) is labeled a Nazi, do not be surprised that this increases the numbers of actual Nazis. When people get insulted, a small but still substantial minority, will go all the way and start resembling the insult.

Look at Germany. While many Germans oppose the unrestricted mass migration of Muslims that Angela Merkel foolishly imposed on them in 2015, all the mainstream parties are reluctant to say anything against mass migration. That drives people to non-mainstream parties and groups. Including violence. When there is no chance to effect change politically, because the choice in the federal elections in September is between the woman who opened the floodgates (Merkel) and the man who would open them even wider (Schulz), despair can set in.

What does any of this soapboxing your favorite race issues have to do with groups of white men in Charlottesville who want to kill the Jews?

Who fucking cares. They are whining about a slippery slope, with regards to people chanting, while carrying burning tiki torches, about ending the Jews. That isn't protected speech.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

What does any of this soapboxing your favorite race issues have to do with groups of white men in Charlottesville who want to kill the Jews?

They are despicable. But at first I had no idea the Charlottesville people were actual Nazis, given the carelessness with which Antifas and other lefties throw that term around.
We need to be more careful with terms we use.

Grammar Nazi!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

They are despicable. But at first I had no idea the Charlottesville people were actual Nazis, given the carelessness with which Antifas and other lefties throw that term around.
We need to be more careful with terms we use.

Grammar Nazi!

I like how even when Derec is wrong, he can still blame blacks for it.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Grammar Nazi!

I like how even when Derec is wrong, he can still blame blacks for it.

I'm just happy that in a post finally he has said that these people are despicable, even though he's throwing blame around. I guess Trump lowered my expectation bar and sometimes I think that's his political purpose to move the country Right by normalizing this shit. In any case, the dog whistle of the left has been purported to be calling people out for racism, not for Nazism and part of that huge criticism was calling Hillary a politically correct champion when she said half the people voting for Trump were a basket of deplorables. Well, if we look at things, more than half of the people who voted for Trump are still with him even after all this bullshit. So, she appears to have been right.

 

[Derec]

Grammar Nazi!

I like how even when Derec is wrong, he can still blame blacks for it.

How have I "blamed blacks" for it? I blamed the left-wing radicals. Now some of those left-wing radicals are black, but most are not.
You alt-leftists are as obsessed about race as the Charlottesville Nazis.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I blamed the left-wing radicals.

If your politics more important to you than reality? Is it more important to you than people?

 

[Derec]

If your politics more important to you than reality? Is it more important to you than people?

Reality is very important to me. Ignoring the destructive contributions of left-wing radicalism to US political discourse is to be ignoring reality.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Unless there is a direct threat, any restriction on free speech is "we must become like them to defeat them." When Nietzsche cautioned people to be careful when fighting monsters lest one become a monster, he was not advising people that they should become monsters in order to defeat the monsters.

Must become like them? That seems a stretch.

In some cases it may seem like a stretch. Not so much of a stretch when talking to you.

 

[dismal]

I like how even when Derec is wrong, he can still blame blacks for it.

I'm just happy that in a post finally he has said that these people are despicable, even though he's throwing blame around. I guess Trump lowered my expectation bar and sometimes I think that's his political purpose to move the country Right by normalizing this shit. In any case, the dog whistle of the left has been purported to be calling people out for racism, not for Nazism and part of that huge criticism was calling Hillary a politically correct champion when she said half the people voting for Trump were a basket of deplorables. Well, if we look at things, more than half of the people who voted for Trump are still with him even after all this bullshit. So, she appears to have been right.

Tip: If you weren't so busy flinging around Seig heils! you'd probably realize that (almost) everyone thinks neo-Nazis are despicable

 

[ZiprHead]

Grammar Nazi alt-right!

FTFY

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Must become like them? That seems a stretch.

In some cases it may seem like a stretch. Not so much of a stretch when talking to you.

Yeah, I know. Complaining about people marching with torches, chanting against the Jews... so easy to just start putting people into prison for thinking climate change is a lie.

 

[dismal]

Wait, don't the antifa types hate the jews too?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Grammar Nazi alt-right!

FTFY

Oh, no, that's not a fix.

Nazi refers to fascism. So grammar Nazi is correct.


Alt-right comes from a German term meaning 'why grandpa is buried in Argentina.'

 

[Derec]

Yeah, I know. Complaining about people marching with torches, chanting against the Jews... so easy to just start putting people into prison for thinking climate change is a lie.

Antifas believe capitalism itself is "fascist".

 

[Horatio Parker]

I'm just happy that in a post finally he has said that these people are despicable, even though he's throwing blame around. I guess Trump lowered my expectation bar and sometimes I think that's his political purpose to move the country Right by normalizing this shit. In any case, the dog whistle of the left has been purported to be calling people out for racism, not for Nazism and part of that huge criticism was calling Hillary a politically correct champion when she said half the people voting for Trump were a basket of deplorables. Well, if we look at things, more than half of the people who voted for Trump are still with him even after all this bullshit. So, she appears to have been right.

Tip: If you weren't so busy flinging around Seig heils! you'd probably realize that (almost) everyone thinks neo-Nazis are despicable

Among those few who don't appear to think so is Trump. At least that's the image he prefers to cultivate. How anyone could think that's responsible leadership is beyond me. His insecurities about obligatory duties are more important to him than his duty.

Large numbers of Americans remember when troglodytes such as these Nazi marchers were in positions of influence. That they are casually accepted by a President supposedly representing everybody is alarming.