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Amelia Earhart's May Have Been Discovered

 
 
 
Bronzeage said:
Find Amelia's plane and you'll find Amelia.
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How could Amelia have been on Gardner Island (where a possible skeleton match and other stuff was found) without the plane in nearby waters at least?

Is there a recent well made documentary or lecture about her disappearance? Something that is not sensationalistic?
Hahaha, looked up some stuff and one was an interview with a "remote viewer"...:hysterical:

So, I know that the US had declared war on Japan in 1941, but when did the US start blockading action against them in any location?

Were US-Japan relations poor in 1937?
 
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repoman said:
Bronzeage said:
Find Amelia's plane and you'll find Amelia.
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How could Amelia have been on Gardner Island (where a possible skeleton match and other stuff was found) without the plane in nearby waters at least?

Is there a recent well made documentary or lecture about her disappearance? Something that is not sensationalistic?
Hahaha, looked up some stuff and one was an interview with a "remote viewer"...:hysterical:

So, I know that the US had declared war on Japan in 1941, but when did the US start blockading action against them in any location?

Were US-Japan relations poor in 1937?
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We have to enter into the valley of conspiracy theory to get there. If the Japanese got Amelia scenario is plausible, Earhart would have stumbled upon some secret Japanese military action that could not be compromised. The current Japanese government, which has no dog in this fight has said they have no records of contact of any kind with Earhart, or her flight. If anything, in 1837, the Japanese would likely have seen Earhart's rescue as a opportunity to gain favor with the US, and made the most of it.

The war in the Pacific is well documented. If there was some kind of sensitive military operation in the Marshall Islands at the time, it will be in the history books.

It's worth remembering, a Boeing 777 with 239 people aboard disappeared in the Pacific Ocean, only three years ago, and we haven't found a trace of them. The chances of finding Amelia after 80 years, are pretty dismal.
 
repoman said:
Bronzeage said:
Find Amelia's plane and you'll find Amelia.
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How could Amelia have been on Gardner Island (where a possible skeleton match and other stuff was found) without the plane in nearby waters at least?

Is there a recent well made documentary or lecture about her disappearance? Something that is not sensationalistic?
Hahaha, looked up some stuff and one was an interview with a "remote viewer"...:hysterical:

So, I know that the US had declared war on Japan in 1941, but when did the US start blockading action against them in any location?

Were US-Japan relations poor in 1937?
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Yes, US-Japan relations were very poor in 1937. Military experts believe that the picture was taken during the 1920's or early 1930's. Very unlikely that it was taken anywhere near 1937 due to lack of Japanese flags flying on any vessels but one and the configuration of the steam-driven vessels.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-claims/ar-BBE2UeO?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
 
Harry_Bosch said:
repoman said:
How could Amelia have been on Gardner Island (where a possible skeleton match and other stuff was found) without the plane in nearby waters at least?

Is there a recent well made documentary or lecture about her disappearance? Something that is not sensationalistic?
Hahaha, looked up some stuff and one was an interview with a "remote viewer"...:hysterical:

So, I know that the US had declared war on Japan in 1941, but when did the US start blockading action against them in any location?

Were US-Japan relations poor in 1937?
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Yes, US-Japan relations were very poor in 1937. Military experts believe that the picture was taken during the 1920's or early 1930's. Very unlikely that it was taken anywhere near 1937 due to lack of Japanese flags flying on any vessels but one and the configuration of the steam-driven vessels.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-claims/ar-BBE2UeO?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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Good link. Thanks.
 
So the show is claiming that she landed at Mili Atoll due East of Jaluit. And they've found some pieces of metal that seem to be similar to an Electra. Or at least a Lockheed.

But one thing unanswered. How did she get there? It's really far, far off course. Clearly he wasn't that poor of a navigator was he?


SLD

ETA. Now they're saying her plan had been to turn west and head for the Gilbert islands if she was getting low on fuel. But she actually had been blown too far north and so when she turned west she found Mili atoll.
 
So was I the only one here to watch the special?

I did find it intriguing to say the least, but am not 100% convinced. The show covered far more than the photograph. It did cover a lot of other evidence, some of it eyewitnesses, or close to eyewitnesses who saw them at Mili and later on Saipan.

The expedition went to the spot on Mili atoll and did find some metal that could have been from the plane. They also found rollers that eyewitnesses claimed were used to haul the plane to a barge. One eyewitness claimed to have seen the plane on Saipan. Another claimed to have seen them on Saipan. Another claimed their mother had been the prison laundress on Saipan and had seen them.

It's certainly not a theory that can be dismissed out of hand - even if the photograph isn't real. The most intriguing evidence were bone fragments from a Saipan grave that witnesses had identified as their execution spot that had been previously identified as belonging to a Caucasian female about 40 years old. The remains were studied at Ohio State back in the late 60's but they don't know where they are now. Finding those would have made it far more definitive. They didn't seem to go digging too hard for them though.

In the end there are a lot of stories that do correlate with their theory and a lot of circumstantial evidence that point to the theory. But a lot more work needs to be done.

SLD
 
I could not watch as I do not have any kind of special TV. Maybe the film will get to Youtube some day.

Based on all I've heard I still think they came down near Gardner Island and died there.
 
Bronzeage said:
repoman said:
How could Amelia have been on Gardner Island (where a possible skeleton match and other stuff was found) without the plane in nearby waters at least?

Is there a recent well made documentary or lecture about her disappearance? Something that is not sensationalistic?
Hahaha, looked up some stuff and one was an interview with a "remote viewer"...:hysterical:

So, I know that the US had declared war on Japan in 1941, but when did the US start blockading action against them in any location?

Were US-Japan relations poor in 1937?
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We have to enter into the valley of conspiracy theory to get there. If the Japanese got Amelia scenario is plausible, Earhart would have stumbled upon some secret Japanese military action that could not be compromised. The current Japanese government, which has no dog in this fight has said they have no records of contact of any kind with Earhart, or her flight. If anything, in 1837, the Japanese would likely have seen Earhart's rescue as a opportunity to gain favor with the US, and made the most of it.

The war in the Pacific is well documented. If there was some kind of sensitive military operation in the Marshall Islands at the time, it will be in the history books.

It's worth remembering, a Boeing 777 with 239 people aboard disappeared in the Pacific Ocean, only three years ago, and we haven't found a trace of them. The chances of finding Amelia after 80 years, are pretty dismal.
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MH370 went missing in the Indian Ocean, which is only half the area of the Pacific - although the plausible search areas for the two aircraft are likely similar in size, as there is a lot data from Inmarsat handshakes that helps to establish a fairly good last known position for MH370, while Earhart's Electra had a much smaller maximum range than a modern passenger jet. The 777 has four times the wingspan of Earhart's aircraft, so it should be easier to find; and searches started very soon after it disappeared, and have been ongoing for a long time, using the best modern seabed scanning technology.

On the face of it, we should expect to find MH370 much more easily than finding Earhart's plane. In both cases, it takes wild conspiracist nonsense to assume that the pilots are not with their aircraft to this day. Crashing into a remote and uncertain location in a big ocean is a very good way to lose an aircraft (and anyone on board) pretty much permanently.
 
PLEASE!!!!

Let's get Trump to tweets accusations about Japan hiding Da Troof!

interesting comment

The History Channel program lists some convincing, if circumstantial evidence that Earhart died on Saipan. To me, the most convincing is the statement by Gen. Vandergrift, and the two Marines. As to the newly discovered photo, the analysis matching the image of Fred Noonan with other known images is also pretty convincing. It is possible that the U.S. Government denied her survival because they were breaking Japanese codes. Britian did the same thing when they broke German codes that indicated the Luftwaffe was going to bomb a major British city. Winston Churchill had the choice of evacuating the city, which would have told the Germans their codes were being read, or allow the attack (which resulted in hundreds of casualties), but allowing Britain to "go on reading the German's mail). Of course, we will never know for sure about Earhart and Noonan's fates, but the History Channel program makes a pretty good arguement.
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Yes the A. A. Vandegrift letter was convincing. There would be no earthly reason to exhume two bodies on Saipan, other than to cover up that they were actually there. The whole thing smells of a government coverup. Not only were we code breaking, but the whole radio listening network could have been compromised if the government acknowledged that it knew what happened.
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The preponderance of evidence has Earhart and Noonan landing on the reef at Nikamuroro. There is another upcoming expedition to the island planned by Gillespie specifically to search the reef face where the landing gear was seen in an old photo. I hope they find pcs of the aircraft.

I think the shortwave transmissions picked up by a woman at the time of Earhart's disappearance in which the girl records hearing "New York City" being said repeatedly is, as Gillespie surmises, "Norwich City," a wreck that was there at the time and near which Earhart's plane landed short on fuel and far south of Howland. It also triangulates well with received signals from the time.

Conspiracy theories are fun to entertain but I don't think explain Earhart's situation as well as the evidence.
 
difficult to navigate in that book, but I got the page linked here:

http://dl.ndl.go.jp/view/jpegOutput?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F1223403&contentNo=99&outputScale=1

this is the printing date page

http://dl.ndl.go.jp/view/jpegOutput?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F1223403&contentNo=113&outputScale=1

Apparently this (印刷) means printed or possibly "overprinted"(?). 發行 means maybe issuance or delivery.

The dates are October 5, 1935 and October 10, 1935


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This documentary should NEVER air again if that picture is pivotal to the main thrust of it.

It is just too bad that this blogger was not a couple days earlier.

So, the blogger obviously had Japanese language skills needed to do the web search. The producer should have done that even if it cost some amount of money.
 
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They never really proved where they found it, did they?
 
blastula said:
They never really proved where they found it, did they?
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Not that I read anywhere. I did read that they are investigating, however. Don't know about you but I am relieved to know that they are only ever interested in "historical accuracy." And that's pretty exciting because it means Noonan and Earhart may still be alive aboard the Flying Dutchman somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle. History Channel needs to investigate the possibility.
 
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