Another bombing

[Loren Pechtel]

The Muslim world was already radicalized. It's just we didn't pay much attention.

No it wasn't. In places like Iran and Iraq Muslims were moving towards secular democracies.

Outside interference radicalized both these nations however.

Secular, yes. Democracy, not really. Doesn't mean there weren't a decent number of radicals. It's just they didn't have the money to pursue Jihad.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I see what you're driving at, I just want to be clear that it's not because people are muslim is why they are radicalized.

People generally dont behave that way when they have a future, a future for their children, and a sense of being secure.

Correlation isnt causation.

Standard leftist garbage.

The people without a future are generally not the ones that become the terrorists.

It's the losers in life combined with radicals pushing them and providing money that become the terrorists.

 

[JohnG]

I see what you're driving at, I just want to be clear that it's not because people are muslim is why they are radicalized.

People generally dont behave that way when they have a future, a future for their children, and a sense of being secure.

Correlation isnt causation.

Standard leftist garbage.

The people without a future are generally not the ones that become the terrorists.

It's the losers in life combined with radicals pushing them and providing money that become the terrorists.

You're describing the results of a bad political situation.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

In another thread in which some appeared to be arguing Muslims (which are 2-3% of the population in North American and Western Europe) were not any more likely to commit terrorist acts then others, I offered the following proposition:...

Okay, so that's how it appeared to you. So what did they actually argue? Quote them.

 

[dismal]

Not a bombing but team islam gets the credit

Just an example of a guy who lacks opportunities as a Canadian insurance agent due to oil.

But I kept it at "bombings" because they are rare and generally going to be reported on, while there are so many other stabbings and shootings for so many reasons that the someone would argue we are only talking about this because it was a muslim.

 

[untermensche]

No it wasn't. In places like Iran and Iraq Muslims were moving towards secular democracies.

Outside interference radicalized both these nations however.

Secular, yes. Democracy, not really. Doesn't mean there weren't a decent number of radicals. It's just they didn't have the money to pursue Jihad.

Blah blah blah.

It was a secular democracy thrown off course by outside greed and disruption.

The problem with the Middle East is that Britain and the US, and others, have acted like they owned the place for decades and it is totally corrupted by their malfeasance.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

In another thread in which some appeared to be arguing Muslims (which are 2-3% of the population in North American and Western Europe) were not any more likely to commit terrorist acts then others,

In that other thread we were discussing global terrorism over 50 years. Thank for the misrepresentation.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I see what you're driving at, I just want to be clear that it's not because people are muslim is why they are radicalized.

People generally dont behave that way when they have a future, a future for their children, and a sense of being secure.

Correlation isnt causation.

Standard leftist garbage.

The people without a future are generally not the ones that become the terrorists.

It's the losers in life combined with radicals pushing them and providing money that become the terrorists.

I'll tell that to the Cubans.

 

[dismal]

In another thread in which some appeared to be arguing Muslims (which are 2-3% of the population in North American and Western Europe) were not any more likely to commit terrorist acts then others,

In that other thread we were discussing global terrorism over 50 years. Thank for the misrepresentation.

So, just to be clear, your position is that Muslims are more likely to be bombers of crowded places in Western Europe/Canada/US than the average person is?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Also Dismal, I still want my money. You forgot these five bombing that took place in Europe by Christians so far in 2017:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-124503/Fifth-Spanish-bomb-explodes.html

 

[dismal]

Also Dismal, I still want my money. You forgot these five bombing that took place in Europe by Christians so far in 2017:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-124503/Fifth-Spanish-bomb-explodes.html

You accepted the bet?

 

[untermensche]

In that other thread we were discussing global terrorism over 50 years. Thank for the misrepresentation.

So, just to be clear, your position is that Muslims are more likely to be bombers of crowded places in Western Europe/Canada/US than the average person is?

No.

Not any Muslim.

Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are likely to bomb anyone.

It takes much more than simply being a Muslim.

Reducing it to "Mulsimness" is just a form of ignorance.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And then there was the bomb In the ex-prime minister of Greece's car on May 25th: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ier-lucas-papademos-wounded-in-athens-bombing

Oh and here is another bombing on April 19th: http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/04/19/bomb-explodes-outside-bank-downtown-athens/

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Also Dismal, I still want my money. You forgot these five bombing that took place in Europe by Christians so far in 2017:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-124503/Fifth-Spanish-bomb-explodes.html

You accepted the bet?

Not on your terms, but you still owe me money.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And then there was the bomb In the ex-prime minister of Greece's car on May 25th: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ier-lucas-papademos-wounded-in-athens-bombing

Oh and here is another bombing on April 19th: http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/04/19/bomb-explodes-outside-bank-downtown-athens/

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You accepted the bet?

Not on your terms, but you still owe me money.

So in terms of bombing in 2017:

Total number of terrorist attacks by bombs:
By Islamic Terrorists: 3 (2 if you exclude Russia as they are not part of the EU) Source: Wikipedia.
By Non-Islamic Terrorist from Christian regions of Europe: 7 (And I only looked casually at news reports from Spain and Greece).

 

[dismal]

And then there was the bomb In the ex-prime minister of Greece's car on May 25th: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ier-lucas-papademos-wounded-in-athens-bombing

Oh and here is another bombing on April 19th: http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/04/19/bomb-explodes-outside-bank-downtown-athens/

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You accepted the bet?

Not on your terms, but you still owe me money.

Well, no, even if all seven of those count (since you have not demonstrated who the bombers are we don't know if they are muslims or not) you would owe me $3300.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And then there was the bomb In the ex-prime minister of Greece's car on May 25th: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ier-lucas-papademos-wounded-in-athens-bombing

Oh and here is another bombing on April 19th: http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/04/19/bomb-explodes-outside-bank-downtown-athens/

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Not on your terms, but you still owe me money.

Well, no, even if all seven of those count (since you have not demonstrated who the bombers are we don't know if they are muslims or not) you would owe me $3300.

I'm not sure why Basque separatists or November 17th members would be Muslim. could you explain?

 

[LordKiran]

Well, no, even if all seven of those count (since you have not demonstrated who the bombers are we don't know if they are muslims or not) you would owe me $3300.

I'm not sure why Basque separatists or November 17th members would be Muslim. could you explain?

Also does American bombing of Yemen not count as terrorism for any real reason or just because we said so?

 

[dismal]

Well, no, even if all seven of those count (since you have not demonstrated who the bombers are we don't know if they are muslims or not) you would owe me $3300.

I'm not sure why Basque separatists or November 17th members would be Muslim. could you explain?

There are Basque muslims.

But the point here is not to speculate. If you can't name the bomber by definition we don't know if he or she was muslim or not.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I'm not sure why Basque separatists or November 17th members would be Muslim. could you explain?

Also does American bombing of Yemen not count as terrorism for any real reason or just because we said so?

Don't know, I am just using Dismal's strict definitions.

So in May in the West there were 4 bombings 1 by a muslim terrorist and 3 by Christian groups.
In April (counting Russia) there were 8 bombings in the West. 2 by islamic terrorists and 6 by Christian groups

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I'm not sure why Basque separatists or November 17th members would be Muslim. could you explain?

There are Basque muslims.

But the point here is not to speculate. If you can't name the bomber by definition we don't know if he or she was muslim or not.

Oh so the goal posts are suddenly moving. Will it soon be only bombings committed on Tuesday by a dog on a unicycle?