The Shooting of Alton Sterling

[ZiprHead]

Was he bootlegging? Probably, but I can buy CDs and old movies at the thrift store for 50 cents a piece and sell them for $3.

That was my question from the beginning. It has not been definitively answered. Although, the 911 caller apparently complained about him selling the discs when Alton pulled his gun out.

CNN said it was a homeless guy that reported the gun. They guy said he asked Alton to give him money several times and Alton Lifted his shirt and showed the gun in his waistband. Sounds like Alton was aggravated by the homeless guy repeatedly asking for money. Homeless guy was probably pissed he didn't get any money.

 

[Derec]

That was my question from the beginning. It has not been definitively answered. Although, the 911 caller apparently complained about him selling the discs when Alton pulled his gun out.

CNN said it was a homeless guy that reported the gun. They guy said he asked Alton to give him money several times and Alton Lifted his shirt and showed the gun in his waistband. Sounds like Alton was aggravated by the homeless guy repeatedly asking for money. Homeless guy was probably pissed he didn't get any money.

Pretty dumb to flash a gun he had to have known was illegal.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

CNN said it was a homeless guy that reported the gun. They guy said he asked Alton to give him money several times and Alton Lifted his shirt and showed the gun in his waistband. Sounds like Alton was aggravated by the homeless guy repeatedly asking for money. Homeless guy was probably pissed he didn't get any money.

Pretty dumb to flash a gun he had to have known was illegal.

Yeah, people do all sorts of stupid things and don't get killed because of them.

 

[Derec]

Yeah, people do all sorts of stupid things and don't get killed because of them.

I am sure they do. Alton already engaged in struggle with police one time, in 2009. He wasn't shot then. But every time you take stupid chances, you run the risk of it ending badly.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And I suppose you also know that the sun rises in the west.


(Look at the evidence. One shot was to the chest. How do you shoot someone in the chest when they're lying face down???)

Care to explain the logistics of how that happened?

You're the one that needs to explain how the physical evidence does not correspond with your story.

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I am interested too, since Mr. Sterling was also shot in the back.

The most likely scenario is the first shot was into the chest. At this time, the second officer released his hold on Sterling. Sterling then thrashed and rolled, taking the additional bullets in his back.

I'm not aware of any evidence as to which shot was first. However, it is pretty clear the guy was rolling--and that implies he wasn't pinned down by the cops.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

That was my question from the beginning. It has not been definitively answered. Although, the 911 caller apparently complained about him selling the discs when Alton pulled his gun out.

CNN said it was a homeless guy that reported the gun. They guy said he asked Alton to give him money several times and Alton Lifted his shirt and showed the gun in his waistband. Sounds like Alton was aggravated by the homeless guy repeatedly asking for money. Homeless guy was probably pissed he didn't get any money.

I can certainly buy that sequence of events and it would also explain why the store owner didn't notice anything.

I would not think exhibiting the gun like that was legal, though--if that's what went down then the 911 call was proper.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Pretty dumb to flash a gun he had to have known was illegal.

Yeah, people do all sorts of stupid things and don't get killed because of them.

You work for NASA?

They ignored the erosion of the O-rings because it kept happening and nothing bad resulted. That is, until the Challenger went boom.

They ignored the foam falling on the orbiter because it kept happening and nothing bad resulted. That is, until the Columbia scattered itself across three states.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, people do all sorts of stupid things and don't get killed because of them.

You work for NASA?

They ignored the erosion of the O-rings because it kept happening and nothing bad resulted. That is, until the Challenger went boom.

They ignored the foam falling on the orbiter because it kept happening and nothing bad resulted. That is, until the Columbia scattered itself across three states.

Remember to reserve your spots for Post Fail 2016.

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Care to explain the logistics of how that happened?

You're the one that needs to explain how the physical evidence does not correspond with your story.

Physical evidence. Seeing the corpse isn't on my desk, I don't have any physical evidence. Also, has there been a coroner's report?

 

[Bronzeage]

Care to explain the logistics of how that happened?

You're the one that needs to explain how the physical evidence does not correspond with your story.

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I am interested too, since Mr. Sterling was also shot in the back.

The most likely scenario is the first shot was into the chest. At this time, the second officer released his hold on Sterling. Sterling then thrashed and rolled, taking the additional bullets in his back.

I'm not aware of any evidence as to which shot was first. However, it is pretty clear the guy was rolling--and that implies he wasn't pinned down by the cops.

I guess that depends on your definition of pinned.

 

[RavenSky]

A friend of Alton Sterling says the Baton Rouge man bought a gun for protection only hours before he was shot to death by two white cops outside a convenience store.

“He didn’t have a gun before that,” barber Ronnie Harton, 50, told the Daily News. “He said he had to protect himself, because he had all this money on him. Around this area, you get robbed real quick.”

Sterling bought the weapon on Monday after hearing that another man selling CDs on the local streets was robbed. He died around 12:30 a.m. the next day.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ice-homeless-man-called-911-article-1.2702401

 

[Derec]

I guess that depends on your definition of pinned.

Right before the camera pans (thanks dude, way to hold the camera steady at the crucial moment!) and the shots are heard the cop that is on Alton's left arm starts falling. When the camera pans back he is on the ground. Obviously Alton was strong enough that this did not pin him down. Instead, he pulled his arm and in the process he knocked the cop down. Not a good idea if he is holding a gun to your chest and telling you not to move.

 

[laughing dog]

Care to explain the logistics of how that happened?

You're the one that needs to explain how the physical evidence does not correspond with your story.

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I am interested too, since Mr. Sterling was also shot in the back.

The most likely scenario is the first shot was into the chest. At this time, the second officer released his hold on Sterling. Sterling then thrashed and rolled, taking the additional bullets in his back.

I'm not aware of any evidence as to which shot was first. However, it is pretty clear the guy was rolling--and that implies he wasn't pinned down by the cops.

You admit to having no evidence. But instead of saying "This is my opinion", you take the extra step of making stuff up to defend your claims of fact. Truly amazing.

 

[Bronzeage]

I guess that depends on your definition of pinned.

Right before the camera pans (thanks dude, way to hold the camera steady at the crucial moment!) and the shots are heard the cop that is on Alton's left arm starts falling. When the camera pans back he is on the ground. Obviously Alton was strong enough that this did not pin him down. Instead, he pulled his arm and in the process he knocked the cop down. Not a good idea if he is holding a gun to your chest and telling you not to move.

The screen cap clearly shows both his hands. Neither are near his pockets, and the pistol is out, milliseconds before being fired.

If a policeman is investigating a report of a man with a gun, why wait until you're wrestling him to the ground before you draw your pistol? Do you really thing Sterling knew there was a pistol against his chest? This is a simple police failure to follow good procedure and they lost control of the situation.

 

[RavenSky]

small aside:

Beyonce's post links to a general directory of the members of Congress, the Louisiana legislature for Alton Sterling and the Minnesota representatives for Philando Castile. Soon after Beyonce's call to action went up, one of the websites she linked to, contactingthecongress.org, crashed.

"anyone who perceives my message as anti-police is completely mistaken. I have so much admiration and respect for officers and the families of the officers who sacrifice themselves to keeps us safe. But let's be clear: I am against police brutality and injustice. Those are two separate things."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...philando-castile-black-lives-matter/86817102/

 

[laughing dog]

small aside:

"anyone who perceives my message as anti-police is completely mistaken. I have so much admiration and respect for officers and the families of the officers who sacrifice themselves to keeps us safe. But let's be clear: I am against police brutality and injustice. Those are two separate things."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...philando-castile-black-lives-matter/86817102/

You know she is lying because she wore Black Panther regalia at the Super Bowl.

 

[zorq]

Was Mr. Sterling "pinned" before the shots were fired? Yes, definitely.

Two men were on top of him and he was squished up against a car. But right before the shots were fired, he was extremely close to the car. So close that his right arm was underneath the front bumper of the car. After the camera pans back to Mr. Sterling, 6+ bullets later he is in a different position with both of his arms clear of the car.

He clearly moved somehow during those missing moments, but I don't think he overpowered the Police officers. I think both the police officers heard the gunshots and retreated instinctively which unpined Mr. Sterling. Even the first officer who fired his gun might have been surprised at the sound his weapon made, unsure if Mr. Sterling's weapon had fired simultaneously. Or the first shot may have been discharged accidentally leading to an extremely surprised reaction from EVERYONE. Either way, both officers were ON Mr. Sterling until the first shot was fired.

 

[Derec]

You know she is lying because she wore Black Panther regalia at the Super Bowl.

You are correct despite yourself. Glorifying Black Panthers does not exactly show "admiration and respect" for police.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You know she is lying because she wore Black Panther regalia at the Super Bowl.

You are correct despite yourself. Glorifying Black Panthers does not exactly show "admiration and respect" for police.

Or you didn't get her fucking point!

 

[zorq]

You know she is lying because she wore Black Panther regalia at the Super Bowl.

You are correct despite yourself. Glorifying Black Panthers does not exactly show "admiration and respect" for police.

I'd say that glorifying the police doesn't exactly show recognition and respect for the ordeals and abuses black people suffered before and during the civil rights movement.

It's possible for there to be two sides to a story and to see the good and the bad at the same time. Try it, you might like it.

 

[Toni]

You are correct despite yourself. Glorifying Black Panthers does not exactly show "admiration and respect" for police.

Or you didn't get her fucking point!

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