Cop Indicted For Murder

[Nice Squirrel]

Explain the difference?

 

[RavenSky]

Explain the difference?

The use of mug shots tends to make people look their worst.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If he used a gin bottle he likely used gin to make this concoction. If it is air freshener at all and he didn't lie.

Well let's stick to the 13-20 children, evictions, driving without license, stealing cars for fun (joyriding) and drug trafficking then...

How is any of this relevant? Would the bullet have magically stopped 2 inches from his head had Dubose lived his life as a saint? You are bringing up Dubose's colorful history in an attempt to divert attention from the real problem, which is that a police officer shot and killed an unarmed man following a traffic stop. The unarmed man did not pose a threat to the officer or to others around him.

As colorful as Dubose's personal life may have been, it pales in comparison to Officer Tensing's history, who killed an unarmed man by shooting him in the head at close range. Officer Tensing is a killer, and you won't talk about that. Why are you not digging up dirt on Officer Tensing? Why are you so unwilling to admit that some cops can be racists and commit criminal acts in the line of duty?

If the guy was a saint he wouldn't have tried to run and wouldn't have gotten shot.

 

[repoman]

Situations like this make me think that fleeing a cop should have serious punishment. But on the other hand cops will stop people for no reason (this case had a reason) and be dicks just to try to get someone to flee.

 

[RavenSky]

If the guy was a saint he wouldn't have tried to run and wouldn't have gotten shot.

Isn't there an entire religion revolving around a dude that was even more saintly than a saint getting murdered by the powers-that-be?

In other words, being a saint or not has little bearing on whether people the world over and throughout history are killed by police (or the historic/regional versions of "police")

 

[repoman]

So, was the gun fired with one hand or two?

If not, where was the left hand?

Also. If the gun was brought out to scare him to comply (which he seems to) why was the safety off?

ETA, with a google search I only found the topic of the cop's safety being off on 4chan's /pol/ board. Hahaha.

 

[RavenSky]

Situations like this make me think that fleeing a cop should have serious punishment. But on the other hand cops will stop people for no reason (this case had a reason) and be dicks just to try to get someone to flee.

And with far too many people dying in police custody, what incentive is there to NOT try to flee?

 

[repoman]

Yeah, this is becoming scary.

 

[fromderinside]

Kumbaya everybody.

That said how do we attack a situation where cops and nearly everybody else fears blacks with lots of cops and blacks getting killed in the melee. Waving hands and agreeing that they're not nice may be satisfying. Its not pushing the ball forward.

That said. How about attacking core problems like excessive discrimination and poverty at the same time.

Get rid of the memes (not really a thing but conveys meaning here) that poor is bad and deserves what it gets, that black is bad and deserves what they get along with subsidiary mythologies surrounding those keys.

These are problems that need money thrown at them. In related social service areas, reduce class size, by increasing number and training for teachers. Reduce mission of schools to education. Move responsibility for health and social services back to professionals in those areas outside education funding control and provide sufficient funding there. Increase funding for poverty communities, including planning, oversight, action groups focused on within community problems. Along with this increase funding social workers, and parole officers.

No these aren't programs. These are mechanical things and manpower things that require funding. Education is not health or social services. Social responsibility belongs with communities impacted. These means identifiable resources in needed places. the day of one size fits all is over.

Believe me, black hatred and cop killing will drop significantly if we don't encourage wanton baby making and we improve those community impacts.

As for the money tree? Try trimming the funding for both big business and small business to supply funds for the above in an effort to make people more suitable for becoming members of these institutions.

 

[Derec]

Isn't there an entire religion revolving around a dude that was even more saintly than a saint getting murdered by the powers-that-be?

Well he did occupy the Temple for a bit. That's not very saintly.
Also, as Paul (?) says in Romans 13 (where the phrase "powers that be" comes from)

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same

In other words, being a saint or not has little bearing on whether people the world over and throughout history are killed by police (or the historic/regional versions of "police")

If "Argument from Jesus" (argumentum ad Iesum) is not in the list of logical fallacies, it should be. Never mind a possibly mythical Galilean preacher in the 1st century CE. Had DeBose in the 21st century not attempted to run he'd still be alive. And that is quite a separate issue from whether the shooting was justified by the way.

 

[Toni]

How is any of this relevant? Would the bullet have magically stopped 2 inches from his head had Dubose lived his life as a saint? You are bringing up Dubose's colorful history in an attempt to divert attention from the real problem, which is that a police officer shot and killed an unarmed man following a traffic stop. The unarmed man did not pose a threat to the officer or to others around him.

As colorful as Dubose's personal life may have been, it pales in comparison to Officer Tensing's history, who killed an unarmed man by shooting him in the head at close range. Officer Tensing is a killer, and you won't talk about that. Why are you not digging up dirt on Officer Tensing? Why are you so unwilling to admit that some cops can be racists and commit criminal acts in the line of duty?

If the guy was a saint he wouldn't have tried to run and wouldn't have gotten shot.

If the guy was a saint, he'd be dead. By definition.

If a decent human being had been the cop who pulled him over, he'd still be alive. Instead, it was a cowardly, incompetent idiot who panicked, lied and put a gun to a man's head and fired his revolver. For who knows what reason. But not because of anything that Dubose did or did not do, except to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

That we know of.

That ANYONE knows of, in point of fact.

Is this the latest accusation you're pulling out of your ass? That Dubose is so good at evading police that he does it all the time and has never been caught doing it?

Doesn't mean he DID either. You have a source for your "joyriding" claim, by the way?

Numerous articles.

"Numerous" meaning "one." Got it.

It also mentions the estimates as to his children

It mentions hearsay by an unidentified relative who doesn't know the actual number.

There's a reason you like this "estimate" figure a lot more than the "13" that his own son and state records actually verify. We both know what that reason is, so how about you cut the bullshit?

He didn't have to because the engine was already on and the car was possibly ALREADY IN gear.

How do you know that? And do you propose he was keeping his foot on the brake the entire time of the traffic stop rather than put it in park?

Yes. He wouldn't be the first person to make that mistake and he won't be the last.

Or that the officer would not tell him to turn the engine off first thing?

He didn't.

Did you not watch the video?

Also, I know many black people. Most don't have nearly that many children, many none at all.

Well that excuses everything, doesn't it!

This constant playing of the race card is getting tiresome.

Put away your dog whistle and I'll stop carding you.

Yes, Derec went out of his way to provide us with helpful insights into the personality of Christopher Roupe too.

Since everybody agrees that he is guilty there is no need for that.

Everyone agrees that Christopher Roupe is guilty? REALLY?

Otoh, some people are saying DuBose did nothing wrong

And challenging that particular notion -- presented by no one in this thread -- was your first and only contribution to this discussion.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Explain the difference?

They used a mugshot of the victim and a professional photo for the killer. That's supposed to go the other way around.

 

[laughing dog]

If the guy was a saint he wouldn't have tried to run and wouldn't have gotten shot.

Blaming the victim for the perpetrator's misdeeds. Truly enlightening.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Explain the difference?

The use of mug shots tends to make people look their worst.

I thought they were ID/DL photos. My last mug shot (10 years ago) was a vicious killer look, where my DL is more of a creeper. If I am killed by police please release to the media a cowboy hat wearing photo. Or better yet, use my Sports Commission badge photo with my defiant fist in the air!

 

[arkirk]

If the guy was a saint he wouldn't have tried to run and wouldn't have gotten shot.

Blaming the victim for the perpetrator's misdeeds. Truly enlightening.

laughing dog: You gotta consider the source. This has been going on forever with Loren. He demands that only the saints live. Funny position for an atheist.

 

[atrib]

How is any of this relevant? Would the bullet have magically stopped 2 inches from his head had Dubose lived his life as a saint? You are bringing up Dubose's colorful history in an attempt to divert attention from the real problem, which is that a police officer shot and killed an unarmed man following a traffic stop. The unarmed man did not pose a threat to the officer or to others around him.

As colorful as Dubose's personal life may have been, it pales in comparison to Officer Tensing's history, who killed an unarmed man by shooting him in the head at close range. Officer Tensing is a killer, and you won't talk about that. Why are you not digging up dirt on Officer Tensing? Why are you so unwilling to admit that some cops can be racists and commit criminal acts in the line of duty?

If the guy was a saint he wouldn't have tried to run and wouldn't have gotten shot.

If the cop had behaved like a trained professional and not a trigger happy asshole, Dubose would have been alive today. What the fuck was he doing reaching into the car? Dubose had stopped when the police car lit him up, and he was sitting in his car responding to the officers' questions. There is zero evidence to suggest that he was a threat to anybody around him.

I don't know what Officer Tensing's motivations were for pulling the trigger. He may have been a racist looking for his first black "kill", or he may have been criminally incompetent, lacking the training and/or self control to handle a loaded firearm. Either way, Dubose is dead because a police officer shot him at near point blank range, a situation that could easily have been handled very differently by a cop who knew what he was doing.

And I still don't understand what Dubose's colorful life had to do with him getting put down on the street like a rabid animal. What possible bearing does it have on the actions of the policeman who put him down? And why the fuck are you not digging up Tensing's history? He is the asshole cop who slaughtered an unarmed man at a traffic stop, which is FAR worse than any unsavory activity Dubose may have engaged in. A human being was shot and killed on the street by a trigger happy cop, and all you can do is defend the cop who took his life. What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So, was the gun fired with one hand or two?

If not, where was the left hand?

Also. If the gun was brought out to scare him to comply (which he seems to) why was the safety off?

ETA, with a google search I only found the topic of the cop's safety being off on 4chan's /pol/ board. Hahaha.

It appears he fired one-handed. The left hand is out of the frame as far as I can tell--in some fashion trapped with the steering wheel. (The cop reached for the keys, the guy tried to stop him from turning the car off.)

And you can release the safety with the hand holding the gun.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If the guy was a saint he wouldn't have tried to run and wouldn't have gotten shot.

If the guy was a saint, he'd be dead. By definition.

If a decent human being had been the cop who pulled him over, he'd still be alive. Instead, it was a cowardly, incompetent idiot who panicked, lied and put a gun to a man's head and fired his revolver. For who knows what reason. But not because of anything that Dubose did or did not do, except to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Dubose rabbited. That's what got him killed.

In a proper police stop your engine is normally off.

 

[Toni]

If the guy was a saint, he'd be dead. By definition.

If a decent human being had been the cop who pulled him over, he'd still be alive. Instead, it was a cowardly, incompetent idiot who panicked, lied and put a gun to a man's head and fired his revolver. For who knows what reason. But not because of anything that Dubose did or did not do, except to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Dubose rabbited. That's what got him killed.

In a proper police stop your engine is normally off.

No. He was killed by a gunshot to the head, not by starting his engine.

In a proper police stop, the police officer doesn't put a gun to the head of the driver and execute him.