George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why should we believe that her testimony was somehow "influenced"?

For the same reason jury selection tries to avoid people with a likelihood of bias in a case.

Or people that can think, in general. Not that your response answered the question.

 

[ksen]

guys, there's a new thread for people to defend killers of black people over here if we want to move the party over there.

 

[coloradoatheist]

For the same reason jury selection tries to avoid people with a likelihood of bias in a case.

Or people that can think, in general. Not that your response answered the question.

Normally you would like to interview the witnesses right after the event and prior to being able to gather other information about the event from other sources. But didn't get to happen in this case.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Or people that can think, in general. Not that your response answered the question.

Normally you would like to interview the witnesses right after the event and prior to being able to gather other information about the event from other sources. But didn't get to happen in this case.

That is unfortunate. Because we know that everyone but Zimmerman is lying their asses off here because only Zimmerman doesn't benefit from lying.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Normally you would like to interview the witnesses right after the event and prior to being able to gather other information about the event from other sources. But didn't get to happen in this case.

That is unfortunate. Because we know that everyone but Zimmerman is lying their asses off here because only Zimmerman doesn't benefit from lying.

Nope, his accounts are called into question too. However we have the tape of him talking on 911.

 

[EPresence2]

Despite my doubts about whether Zimmerman must have grabbed Trayvon, I do sympathize with those who view him as a young martyr/innocent victim. Even if he did respond aggressively to being confronted, we're also talking about a young man here. Zimmerman was older and should have known better than to create a situation that leaves reasonable people wondering about what really happened after the phone dropped. I assume myself to be reasonable, and so do you (ignoring "peanut gallery" commentary). But I don't assume you haven't examined the "other side" just because you mostly focus on your apparent side. That doesn't make you a defender of Trayvon Martin beyond what the evidence suggests. Neither does it make me a defender of Zimmerman beyond what the evidence suggests. It's both impossible and unnecessary to try equally hard to see both sides; with patience and respect, the two sides can learn from each other to some degree... Thanks to Arctish (mostly) for the exchange of perspectives and f*ck the commentary.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

That is unfortunate. Because we know that everyone but Zimmerman is lying their asses off here because only Zimmerman doesn't benefit from lying.

Nope, his accounts are called into question too. However we have the tape of him talking on 911.

Yeah... you don't see to give a flip about his attitude on that call, though.

Despite my doubts about whether Zimmerman must have grabbed Trayvon, I do sympathize with those who view him as a young martyr.

Martin is not a martyr... he's just a teen that probably shouldn't have been killed that night.

Even if he did respond aggressively to being confronted, we're also talking about a young man here. Zimmerman was older and should have known better than to create a situation that leaves reasonable people wondering about what really happened after the phone dropped. I assume myself to be reasonable, and so do you (ignoring "peanut gallery" commentary). But I don't assume you haven't examined the "other side" just because you mostly focus on your apparent side. That doesn't make you a defender of Trayvon Martin beyond what the evidence suggests. Neither does it make me a defender of Zimmerman beyond what the evidence suggests.

No, what makes people Zimmerman apologists is all the Zimmerman Fan Fic about Martin being a drug dealer / robbing the homes in the neighborhood or some other entirely baseless accusation to defend Zimmerman's judgement.

It's both impossible and unnecessary to try equally hard to see both sides; with patience and respect, the two sides can learn from each other to some degree... Thanks to Arctish (mostly) for the exchange of perspectives and f*ck the commentary.

Zimmerman was wrong, he followed someone that was robbing homes in the neighborhood, he eventually shot and killed someone that would have been involved in no crime that night. That is simple, unspun fact. Fuck the apologism.

 

[EPresence2]

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Fuck the asininevitriolic commentary.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

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Fuck the asinine commentary... again.

FYI, for future reference, reciting facts isn't commentary. And pretending to sit on a fence doesn't mean everyone will believe that is what you are actually doing.

 

[EPresence2]

Fuck the asinine commentary... again.

FYI, for future reference, reciting facts isn't commentary. And pretending to sit on a fence doesn't mean everyone will believe that is what you are actually doing.

Fuck the mischaracterizing and accusatory commentary. I've had about enough of your blindly adversarial tone - to the ignore list you go.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Be careful you too, it's the escalation of a conflict that we are also talking about here.

The issue is that we have a lot of trade-offs. We can also say that if we don't have police, then we don't have police killing unarmed people.

 

[ksen]

FYI, for future reference, reciting facts isn't commentary. And pretending to sit on a fence doesn't mean everyone will believe that is what you are actually doing.

Fuck the mischaracterizing and accusatory commentary. I've had about enough of your blindly adversarial tone - to the ignore list you go.

This is very open minded.

 

[EPresence2]

Fuck the mischaracterizing and accusatory commentary. I've had about enough of your blindly adversarial tone - to the ignore list you go.

This is very open minded.

Bye bye Ksen - you've had really nothing to add either except misguided/infantile commentary.

 

[ksen]

This is very open minded.

Bye bye Ksen - you've had really nothing to add either except misguided/infantile commentary.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Bye bye Ksen - you've had really nothing to add either except misguided/infantile commentary.

There, there.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

FYI, for future reference, reciting facts isn't commentary. And pretending to sit on a fence doesn't mean everyone will believe that is what you are actually doing.

Fuck the mischaracterizing and accusatory commentary. I've had about enough of your blindly adversarial tone - to the ignore list you go.

Well, that'll make it easier for me to win debates against you then. Point.

Be careful you too, it's the escalation of a conflict that we are also talking about here.

The issue is that we have a lot of trade-offs.

If Zimmerman isn't armed, he likely isn't going into that situation. That is the trade-off. Concealed carry is supposed to make people feel that they are more in control in a situation when crap comes to them. The trade off is a sociopath walking into a situation which they deem dangerous and ultimately killing an unarmed teen who wasn't committing any crime, the reason he was being pursued in the first place.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Fuck the mischaracterizing and accusatory commentary. I've had about enough of your blindly adversarial tone - to the ignore list you go.

Well, that'll make it easier for me to win debates against you then. Point.

Be careful you too, it's the escalation of a conflict that we are also talking about here.

The issue is that we have a lot of trade-offs.

If Zimmerman isn't armed, he likely isn't going into that situation. That is the trade-off. Concealed carry is supposed to make people feel that they are more in control in a situation when crap comes to them. The trade off is a sociopath walking into a situation which they deem dangerous and ultimately killing an unarmed teen who wasn't committing any crime, the reason he was being pursued in the first place.

You can't have just one example and say if Concealed carry is worth it not. But considering right now that you are more likely to get shot by a police officer than someone like Zimmerman....If we only lived in a world without crime.

 

[EPresence2]

It ain't always about "winning" Charlie

 

[bleubird]

This is very open minded.

Bye bye Ksen - you've had really nothing to add either except misguided/infantile commentary.

You been here like a month,dude.Take a chill pill.

 

[EPresence2]

Bye bye Ksen - you've had really nothing to add either except misguided/infantile commentary.

You been here like a month,dude.Take a chill pill.

More presumption. Actually I am a veteran of this forum from a few years back (same name without the 2) and my forum friends are mostly gone it seems. It also seems like most of the activity now is on the political subforum - I was mostly on physics, existence of God, and philosophy. But whatever. Now I've got family and some kids and very little time to post (and more concern for politics). I've just had quite enough shadow trolling from a couple of posters here. Why don't you tell them to chill out and actually address where I'm coming from instead of spewing the bullshit characterizations? That would require a demonstrated understanding of what I've been saying. I also understand that is a two-way street. Anyway - I don't see their predictable "peanut gallery" responses anymore. And now they can spew strawmen without any rebuttals from me - How noble of them. You should also know that a poster's demeanor and how they come across online can be vastly different, based on the assumptions that are made. I'm also not addressing you with the comments you are addressing. In other words... I'm cool as far you really know.