George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[RavenSky]

There's another possibility that fits the evidence.

It is possible Zimmerman did not follow Martin but instead hurried to cut him off. Zimmerman said in the 911 call that Martin appeared to be heading for the back entrance. If Zimmerman ran between the buildings and down the path while Martin was lingering at the crosswalk trying to see where the creepy guy from the car was, they could have missed each other. Then when Martin resumes his walk home, he sees Zimmerman coming back up the sidewalk looking for him. Martin does a quick 180 and heads back to the top of the T while telling Jeantel the guy from the car is right behind him. Zimmerman recognizes Martin and speeds up. Martin shouts "Why are you following me?", Zimmerman shouts "What are you doing here?", the phone is dropped and the fight breaks out.

One of the residents reported hearing running footsteps coming from the direction of the back entrance (also the direction of Martin's house) and going toward the T intersection, and the phone was found closer to Martin's house than his body was.

It doesn't really matter, though. What matters is that all the evidence we have points to Martin trying to avoid a confrontation and Zimmerman trying to create one. Add to that Zimmerman's history of resorting to violence, Martin's legitimate fear for his life and safety, and you get a teenager rightfully defending himself from a man wrongfully assaulting him.

crjq but exactly what you said... all of it. This scenario is also the only one that fits with Zimmerman's blatant lie that he was running around looking for addresses in a community he claimed to know so well. I believe he was going down the street towards the back entrance with every intent to cut Trayvon off, but knew that would not sound good to the police.

 

[coloradoatheist]

There's another possibility that fits the evidence.

It is possible Zimmerman did not follow Martin but instead hurried to cut him off. Zimmerman said in the 911 call that Martin appeared to be heading for the back entrance. If Zimmerman ran between the buildings and down the path while Martin was lingering at the crosswalk trying to see where the creepy guy from the car was, they could have missed each other. Then when Martin resumes his walk home, he sees Zimmerman coming back up the sidewalk looking for him. Martin does a quick 180 and heads back to the top of the T while telling Jeantel the guy from the car is right behind him. Zimmerman recognizes Martin and speeds up. Martin shouts "Why are you following me?", Zimmerman shouts "What are you doing here?", the phone is dropped and the fight breaks out.

One of the residents reported hearing running footsteps coming from the direction of the back entrance (also the direction of Martin's house) and going toward the T intersection, and the phone was found closer to Martin's house than his body was.

It doesn't really matter, though. What matters is that all the evidence we have points to Martin trying to avoid a confrontation and Zimmerman trying to create one. Add to that Zimmerman's history of resorting to violence, Martin's legitimate fear for his life and safety, and you get a teenager rightfully defending himself from a man wrongfully assaulting him.

crjq but exactly what you said... all of it. This scenario is also the only one that fits with Zimmerman's blatant lie that he was running around looking for addresses in a community he claimed to know so well. I believe he was going down the street towards the back entrance with every intent to cut Trayvon off, but knew that would not sound good to the police.

Or that Martin made it home and then decided he wanted to check out the guy who tried to follow him. So if he did make it home and the changed his mind it leads to issues.

 

[Arctish]

crjq but exactly what you said... all of it. This scenario is also the only one that fits with Zimmerman's blatant lie that he was running around looking for addresses in a community he claimed to know so well. I believe he was going down the street towards the back entrance with every intent to cut Trayvon off, but knew that would not sound good to the police.

Or that Martin made it home and then decided he wanted to check out the guy who tried to follow him. So if he did make it home and the changed his mind it leads to issues.

You could hide a grassy knoll and a Mafia hit squad behind that "if".

Do you have any evidence that it actually happened, or are you just throwing it out there to see if something sticks? All the evidence we have points to Martin trying to avoid a confrontation and Zimmerman trying to create one. Add to that Zimmerman's history of resorting to violence and Martin's legitimate fear for his life and safety, and you get a teenager rightfully defending himself from a man wrongfully assaulting him.

Inventing scenarios where Martin inexplicably decides to leave the safety of his home and attack the creepy ass stranger that up to that moment he had been fleeing, while simultaneously and equally inexplicably Zimmerman goes from armed pursuer chasing one of the "assholes" who "always get away" to passive doofus looking for an address on the wrong street would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact these stupid stories are being used to slander a dead teenager and provide cover for his killer.

 

[RavenSky]

crjq but exactly what you said... all of it. This scenario is also the only one that fits with Zimmerman's blatant lie that he was running around looking for addresses in a community he claimed to know so well. I believe he was going down the street towards the back entrance with every intent to cut Trayvon off, but knew that would not sound good to the police.

Or that Martin made it home and then decided he wanted to check out the guy who tried to follow him. So if he did make it home and the changed his mind it leads to issues.

Nothing in the evidence, nor in what we know about Trayvon's character, supports your position. All of the evidence, plus what we know about Zimmerman's character, supports the scenario Arctish suggests.

But you go right ahead continuing to defame a dead teenager in a thread about his killer AGAIN acting out with violent aggression against yet ANOTHER person.

 

[Mumbles]

crjq but exactly what you said... all of it. This scenario is also the only one that fits with Zimmerman's blatant lie that he was running around looking for addresses in a community he claimed to know so well. I believe he was going down the street towards the back entrance with every intent to cut Trayvon off, but knew that would not sound good to the police.

Or that Martin made it home and then decided he wanted to check out the guy who tried to follow him. So if he did make it home and the changed his mind it leads to issues.

Obviously, that story makes no sense at all. Why would he come running back, unarmed, to "check out" a guy he last saw sitting in a car? What "houses" would he be looking at from the mailboxes? And why would Zimmerman be stopped along Twin Trees, when he could simply drive up Retreat View Circle to get to the front entrance (Remember, he lived on Retreat View Circle, and he was driving out for groceries)? Why can we (faintly) hear what appear to be two sets of gear shifting in Zimmerman's 311 call, shortly after he announces "these assholes, they always get away."?

The basic answer is that Martin was nowhere near the mailboxes on Twin Trees when Zimmerman initially spots him, but rather near mailboxes at an entirely different location, and that he was taking the route that Zimmerman initially describes. In other words, Zimmerman was honest about where he spotted Martin, and about parking at the clubhouse (which is how he knows the address - he can see it), and that Martin, after a couple of minutes talking to dispatch, walked past him (this is a normal walking speed). And after this, Zimmerman begins lying - starting with him falsely claiming that Dispatch asked him to move to see where Martin had gone - which never happened.

 

[ksen]

colorado asking the important questions itt

 

[laughing dog]

The defenders of Zimmerman have to make up these scenarios because the actual facts are so damning to Zimmerman and some of these people just cannot bring themselves to believe someone could act so recklessly and shamelessly. The same sort of rationale motivates some Holocaust deniers: their minds cannot handle the reality so they must create alternate ones.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

There is another scenario based on the evidence that we haven't considered. What if Zimmerman was Apache Chief? Zimmer Chief could have just called out "Uh-negeek-check" grew to a colossal size stepped over the house and began to battle Tray-von-ra who had also grown to a incredible size and had ripped out a chunk of sidewalk and began bashing ZimChief's head causing ZimChief to shrink back into Gentle George. Just as the shrinkamorphasis began ZimChief's power ring had gone off fatally wounding Tray-von-ra causing him to shrink and Gentle George's Second Amendment Right to discharge between his Bible and a copy of the Constitution completely missing Tray-von-ra all together.

I'm sure you have some questions like why didn't the police find evidence of this titanic struggle? And why didn't Gentle George reveal his secret identity?

1) The police were looking for small items. I'm sure if you look at aerial photos of compound you will see giant foot prints and the chunk of missing sidewalk used to bash ZimChief's head.

2) Gentle George was protecting the Hall of Justice which lies within the gated community (and he didn't want to reveal that secret). In other words, he took the fall for the Super Friends.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

crjq but exactly what you said... all of it. This scenario is also the only one that fits with Zimmerman's blatant lie that he was running around looking for addresses in a community he claimed to know so well. I believe he was going down the street towards the back entrance with every intent to cut Trayvon off, but knew that would not sound good to the police.

Or that Martin made it home and then decided he wanted to check out the guy who tried to follow him. So if he did make it home and the changed his mind it leads to issues.

Yeah. It means Martin wasn't up to anything illegal and was shot and killed by a wannabe police officer sociopath.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Or that Martin made it home and then decided he wanted to check out the guy who tried to follow him. So if he did make it home and the changed his mind it leads to issues.

You could hide a grassy knoll and a Mafia hit squad behind that "if".

Do you have any evidence that it actually happened, or are you just throwing it out there to see if something sticks? All the evidence we have points to Martin trying to avoid a confrontation and Zimmerman trying to create one. Add to that Zimmerman's history of resorting to violence and Martin's legitimate fear for his life and safety, and you get a teenager rightfully defending himself from a man wrongfully assaulting him.

Inventing scenarios where Martin inexplicably decides to leave the safety of his home and attack the creepy ass stranger that up to that moment he had been fleeing, while simultaneously and equally inexplicably Zimmerman goes from armed pursuer chasing one of the "assholes" who "always get away" to passive doofus looking for an address on the wrong street would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact these stupid stories are being used to slander a dead teenager and provide cover for his killer.

You mean ignoring Jeantel's statement that says he was at the back of the house? Though that was supposed to be mean anywhere in the neighborhood? And I asked what path Martin took that works in her story and finishes where they finally meet? To meet where they did and in that manner Martin would have had to double back in some fashion, whether he double backed from the house or from a different spot.

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The defenders of Zimmerman have to make up these scenarios because the actual facts are so damning to Zimmerman and some of these people just cannot bring themselves to believe someone could act so recklessly and shamelessly. The same sort of rationale motivates some Holocaust deniers: their minds cannot handle the reality so they must create alternate ones.

Are you talking about Martin supporters?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

The defenders of Zimmerman have to make up these scenarios because the actual facts are so damning to Zimmerman and some of these people just cannot bring themselves to believe someone could act so recklessly and shamelessly. The same sort of rationale motivates some Holocaust deniers: their minds cannot handle the reality so they must create alternate ones.

Are you talking about Martin supporters?

Which scenarios are those? The ones that say "we don't know what happened exactly, but based on the facts we do know..."?

 

[Mumbles]

You mean ignoring Jeantel's statement that says he was at the back of the house?

No such statement exists.

Though that was supposed to be mean anywhere in the neighborhood? And I asked what path Martin took that works in her story and finishes where they finally meet?

Again, this is simple. Martin was walking home, Zimmerman saw him, freaked out, parked at the clubhouse, and called 311. Martin walked past him, and that is when Zimmerman began stalking him.

It's actually very simple, when you think about it.

To meet where they did and in that manner Martin would have had to double back in some fashion, whether he double backed from the house or from a different spot.

At this point, I'm going to put it plainly. The claim that Martin "doubled back" from anywhere for the two to meet up, is not only completely without evidence, but it's simply stupid. All the fight really requires is for Martin to stop (yet again: Urban Rule #1), and for Zimmerman to continue pursuit.

 

[laughing dog]

The defenders of Zimmerman have to make up these scenarios because the actual facts are so damning to Zimmerman and some of these people just cannot bring themselves to believe someone could act so recklessly and shamelessly. The same sort of rationale motivates some Holocaust deniers: their minds cannot handle the reality so they must create alternate ones.

Are you talking about Martin supporters?

One would think that the "defenders of Zimmerman" would make it obvious that I was not posting about Martin supporters, but to be perfectly clear, the answer to your question is no.

 

[coloradoatheist]

No such statement exists.

Though that was supposed to be mean anywhere in the neighborhood? And I asked what path Martin took that works in her story and finishes where they finally meet?

Again, this is simple. Martin was walking home, Zimmerman saw him, freaked out, parked at the clubhouse, and called 311. Martin walked past him, and that is when Zimmerman began stalking him.

It's actually very simple, when you think about it.

To meet where they did and in that manner Martin would have had to double back in some fashion, whether he double backed from the house or from a different spot.

At this point, I'm going to put it plainly. The claim that Martin "doubled back" from anywhere for the two to meet up, is not only completely without evidence, but it's simply stupid. All the fight really requires is for Martin to stop (yet again: Urban Rule #1), and for Zimmerman to continue pursuit.

And here is the video of her testimony of one place she says it. Around the 5 minute mark. She was asked what happened. and it was "He ran, I called him back and he said he was at the back of his dad's house there" Later she tries to rephrase it as by his house, after I think she realized her mistake.

and for simplicity, it's easy to imagine a 17 year old boy getting pissed that someone follows him and wants to see what's up and gets mad that he's being followed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR1VabQYLKQ&x-yt-ts=1421782837&feature=player_embedded&x-yt-cl=84359240

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Are you talking about Martin supporters?

One would think that the "defenders of Zimmerman" would make it obvious that I was not posting about Martin supporters, but to be perfectly clear, the answer to your question is no.

I was actually just being sarcastic since I knew you were talking about Z's supporters.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Zimmerman is a moron. That doesn't change the fact that he was crucified because he shot a black teen in a questionable situation.

"Shot a black teen in a questionable situation"?

What an incredible characterization. Somehow, I think that if the races were swapped, you would characterize this incident very differently.

When a black is shot without a real gun in hand there's always a ruckus no matter how clear the situation is. (Locally we have seen it when everyone agrees that the teen in question was deliberately pointing a realistic replica at the cop.)

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Zimmerman is a moron. That doesn't change the fact that he was crucified because he shot a black teen in a questionable situation.

Crucified???? No. He was acquitted.

The initial investigation into the situation concluded that there shouldn't be charges.

The trial was the result of a witch hunt. It's no surprise it reached the same conclusion that the initial investigation did.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

what does it matter?

It matters because it goes to the credibility of the sequence of events.


You are in effect saying pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain.

 

[ksen]

Actually, I'm in effect saying "stop posting"

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And here is the video of her testimony of one place she says it. Around the 5 minute mark. She was asked what happened. and it was "He ran, I called him back and he said he was at the back of his dad's house there" Later she tries to rephrase it as by his house, after I think she realized her mistake.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious she's not being 100% honest--which says to me that the truth isn't favorable to Martin.

and for simplicity, it's easy to imagine a 17 year old boy getting pissed that someone follows him and wants to see what's up and gets mad that he's being followed.

Especially if he's up to no good at the time.

He's from a world where beating someone up to get them to quit sticking their nose in your business is a common course of action. His world doesn't have people with CCW permits.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious she's not being 100% honest--which says to me that the truth isn't favorable to Martin.

Or perhaps she was nervous as all fuck. I get nervous speaking in front of a large group people, forget about testifying at a murder trial with a Defense Attorney trained in obfuscation.

and for simplicity, it's easy to imagine a 17 year old boy getting pissed that someone follows him and wants to see what's up and gets mad that he's being followed.

Especially if he's up to no good at the time.

#Lindberghbaby.

He's from a world where beating someone up to get them to quit sticking their nose in your business is a common course of action. His world doesn't have people with CCW permits.

Exactly, they have guns, but not the CCW permits. Those permits can cut ya. In fact, that is what Zimmerman alleged, not in the trial but before, that Martin saw that Zimmerman had a CCW permit on him and went for it after saying "I'm gonna cut you!"

 

[coloradoatheist]

Her story was always "Back by his house, near his house" which has supposed to always have meant the T and the cut-through and not actually being near the house. We also have the problem that her testimony was influenced by TM's parents. However for her story to make sense and the one presented, we have to believe that Martin took of running but ran only about 100 feet on a near straight line and in direct visual line of Zimmerman and then stopped and started slowly inching back to his place instead of running around the back side of the houses and going to or very near his own place.