George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[Arctish]

Zimmerman: When you look at the circumstances of his charges they're basically jokes. He's been accused of domestic violence multiple times recently--yet he apparently still is allowed to have a gun which makes it clear those domestic violence charges went nowhere

You're completely incorrect here because you forgot the biggest reason Zimmerman has got away with so many legal issues unscathed, his father was a judge and obviously has connections that kept him out of serious trouble.

Or at the very least, excellent legal advice.

 

[Frikki]

There is no helping you, this forum has turned into Stormfront Lite.

He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And, remember, Zimmerman isn't white, either.

First of all Latino is a point of origin they can be white or dark.

Second WTF? Are you saying that those darkies are culturally unable to behave them selves?

 

[RavenSky]

Martin: He comes out of a culture where disagreements are often settled by violence.

Zimmerman: When you look at the circumstances of his charges they're basically jokes. He's been accused of domestic violence multiple times recently--yet he apparently still is allowed to have a gun which makes it clear those domestic violence charges went nowhere.

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He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And the difference being?

You can't tell the difference between culture and race???

Again Loren, explain to us exactly what "culture" you think Trayvon comes from that makes it more likely he *attacked* Zimmerman not out of self-defense?

 

[RavenSky]

And....?

Again, not one shred of evidence that Trayon Martin was involved in any "street fights" or had "a history of getting into fights".

IF Trayvon Martin was involved in a match that included him losing the first round but winning the next two and asking for a re-match... that is not describing him "getting into fights" any more than Zimmerman's MMA training was the same as when Zimmerman assaulted a police officer, or threw a woman to the pavement, or punched his father-in-law, or battered his girlfriend around and busted up her furniture, or threw a wine bottle at another girlfriend... or shot an innocent teenager dead.

Look at those texts--his friend thought he was in trouble for fighting. It's unlikely he would think that unless Martin got in fights.

Your assumptions (especially in light of your repeated comments about "culture") are still not evidence that Trayvon "had a history of" street fights or assaulting people. You've got nothing to support those claims other than your own prejudices about Miami "culture"

 

[RavenSky]

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

 

[Toni]

Look at those texts--his friend thought he was in trouble for fighting. It's unlikely he would think that unless Martin got in fights.

Your assumptions (especially in light of your repeated comments about "culture") are still not evidence that Trayvon "had a history of" street fights or assaulting people. You've got nothing to support those claims other than your own prejudices about Miami "culture"

I don't think the culture Loren is referring to has anything to do with Miami.

 

[Mumbles]

Why should Martin have said that. If I walked up to you and said that there had been a bunch of flashings going on and you looked like the type to expose yourself to children would your response be "ok let's wait for the police"?

And if you asked that question to me, is it my right to punch you in the face for asking that question? The question, "what are you doing here" in a gated neighborhood community is a valid question and should have been answered with, "Just walking home from 7/11 to my dad's/uncles that is a couple houses down, want to make sure?" And things would have been avoided.

That silly idea again "oh please, young skinheaded man who saw me, stared at me angrily talking on the phone as I walked by, creeped behind me in his car, got out of the car and continued to follow my black ass when I ran somewhere you couldn't run, and refuses to identify or explain yourself, please come over to where the only other person at home is 14." Why *anyone* would consider this a wise idea is entirely besides me.

 

[coloradoatheist]

And if you asked that question to me, is it my right to punch you in the face for asking that question? The question, "what are you doing here" in a gated neighborhood community is a valid question and should have been answered with, "Just walking home from 7/11 to my dad's/uncles that is a couple houses down, want to make sure?" And things would have been avoided.

That silly idea again "oh please, young skinheaded man who saw me, stared at me angrily talking on the phone as I walked by, creeped behind me in his car, got out of the car and continued to follow my black ass when I ran somewhere you couldn't run, and refuses to identify or explain yourself, please come over to where the only other person at home is 14." Why *anyone* would consider this a wise idea is entirely besides me.

But that's all he had to do was keep walking home, walk inside and lock the door. He had the other option of calling 911 and reporting the behavior if he thought it was that bad. Walks home, locks the door and we never hear about Martin or Zimmerman.

 

[RavenSky]

Your assumptions (especially in light of your repeated comments about "culture") are still not evidence that Trayvon "had a history of" street fights or assaulting people. You've got nothing to support those claims other than your own prejudices about Miami "culture"

I don't think the culture Loren is referring to has anything to do with Miami.

What else could he be referring to? He specifically said he was not referring to the fact that Trayvon was black

 

[RavenSky]

That silly idea again "oh please, young skinheaded man who saw me, stared at me angrily talking on the phone as I walked by, creeped behind me in his car, got out of the car and continued to follow my black ass when I ran somewhere you couldn't run, and refuses to identify or explain yourself, please come over to where the only other person at home is 14." Why *anyone* would consider this a wise idea is entirely besides me.

But that's all he had to do was keep walking home, walk inside and lock the door. He had the other option of calling 911 and reporting the behavior if he thought it was that bad. Walks home, locks the door and we never hear about Martin or Zimmerman.

Let's ask again (while I do not expect a rational answer) - what happened to Trayvon's right to stand his ground? Trayvon had every right to walk whereever he wanted to walk within the common areas of that community. BY LAW Trayvon had no duty to evade, avoid or run away from Zimmerman; and when Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's continued pursuit Trayvon had every right to defend himself.

 

[Arctish]

But that's all he had to do was keep walking home, walk inside and lock the door. He had the other option of calling 911 and reporting the behavior if he thought it was that bad. Walks home, locks the door and we never hear about Martin or Zimmerman.

Or, he hurries to a place that seems safe and talks over his options with his friend, since he's not certain he is being followed at that point. And then, when he thinks the coast is clear, he decides he will keep walking home, walk inside and lock the door, just as you suggest, only he was wrong, the creepy ass stranger finds him and assaults him, which causes him to defend himself.. oh wait, only white boys get to defend themselves against the creepy ass strangers who pursue them, which is why none of your suggestions about simply going about your business apply to Zimmerman.

Why is the guy who created the confrontation absolved of responsibility for it? Why is the guy with the history of violence being excused for the violent confrontation he engineered, and the guy minding his own business being blamed for it?

 

[Toni]

That silly idea again "oh please, young skinheaded man who saw me, stared at me angrily talking on the phone as I walked by, creeped behind me in his car, got out of the car and continued to follow my black ass when I ran somewhere you couldn't run, and refuses to identify or explain yourself, please come over to where the only other person at home is 14." Why *anyone* would consider this a wise idea is entirely besides me.

But that's all he had to do was keep walking home, walk inside and lock the door. He had the other option of calling 911 and reporting the behavior if he thought it was that bad. Walks home, locks the door and we never hear about Martin or Zimmerman.

Because black people have so many good associations with the police arriving?

Besides, keep in mind that Martin was 16. He was a kid. He tried to lose the creep who was stalking him and was heading home. Probably I would have called the police but then, I'm a (still clinging to)middle aged white woman. At his age, aside from the fact there were no cell phones, I would probably have done exactly what Martin did: tried to evade the creep stalking me and headed home via a different route. A few years later, when I was in college, I purposely walked in the most brightly lit, best traveled, frequently patrolled by police cars route I could take.

 

[coloradoatheist]

But that's all he had to do was keep walking home, walk inside and lock the door. He had the other option of calling 911 and reporting the behavior if he thought it was that bad. Walks home, locks the door and we never hear about Martin or Zimmerman.

Let's ask again (while I do not expect a rational answer) - what happened to Trayvon's right to stand his ground? Trayvon had every right to walk whereever he wanted to walk within the common areas of that community. BY LAW Trayvon had no duty to evade, avoid or run away from Zimmerman; and when Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's continued pursuit Trayvon had every right to defend himself.

He would have had a very weak case of it though. Someone asking you why you are here would not mean that you are allowed to punch them. He can refuse to answer the question. It would come down to the cops believing the two stories and choosing a side.

 

[RavenSky]

Let's ask again (while I do not expect a rational answer) - what happened to Trayvon's right to stand his ground? Trayvon had every right to walk whereever he wanted to walk within the common areas of that community. BY LAW Trayvon had no duty to evade, avoid or run away from Zimmerman; and when Trayvon felt threatened by Zimmerman's continued pursuit Trayvon had every right to defend himself.

He would have had a very weak case of it though. Someone asking you why you are here would not mean that you are allowed to punch them. He can refuse to answer the question. It would come down to the cops believing the two stories and choosing a side.

Zimmerman had a very weak case for killing an unarmed teen, but he got away with it, so I am not asking what a jury would have done. I am asking you to acknowledge that Trayvon had every right under Florida law to (1) stand his ground as opposed to run hom and hide as you expect him to do; and (2) defend himself against his assailant.

Moreover, you have zero actual evidence that Zimmerman only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing, and you have zero actual evidence that Trayvon's only response was to punch Zimmerman - yet you keep stating it as if it were established fact. It's not. It is your belief/opinion.

We do, however, have factual evidence that Zimmerman is a liar with a history of violent aggression. Given that, we have zero reason to believe Zimmerman's word that he only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing and/or that Trayvon's response was to punch Zimmerman. I do not believe it went down that way because it doesn't make logical sense, because Zimmerman is a known liar, and because Zimmerman has a documented history of violent aggression.

 

[coloradoatheist]

He would have had a very weak case of it though. Someone asking you why you are here would not mean that you are allowed to punch them. He can refuse to answer the question. It would come down to the cops believing the two stories and choosing a side.

Zimmerman had a very weak case for killing an unarmed teen, but he got away with it, so I am not asking what a jury would have done. I am asking you to acknowledge that Trayvon had every right under Florida law to (1) stand his ground as opposed to run hom and hide as you expect him to do; and (2) defend himself against his assailant.

Moreover, you have zero actual evidence that Zimmerman only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing, and you have zero actual evidence that Trayvon's only response was to punch Zimmerman - yet you keep stating it as if it were established fact. It's not. It is your belief/opinion.

We do, however, have factual evidence that Zimmerman is a liar with a history of violent aggression. Given that, we have zero reason to believe Zimmerman's word that he only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing and/or that Trayvon's response was to punch Zimmerman. I do not believe it went down that way because it doesn't make logical sense, because Zimmerman is a known liar, and because Zimmerman has a documented history of violent aggression.

We are questioning where his rights ended. The problem for Martin in this case would be that he had no signs of being punched or detained so he would have to overcome that burden that he wasn't the one who started the fight. You want to present the fact that Zimmerman is violent though there is no signs that he threw a punch or even fought back against his assailant.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Zimmerman had a very weak case for killing an unarmed teen, but he got away with it, so I am not asking what a jury would have done. I am asking you to acknowledge that Trayvon had every right under Florida law to (1) stand his ground as opposed to run hom and hide as you expect him to do; and (2) defend himself against his assailant.

Moreover, you have zero actual evidence that Zimmerman only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing, and you have zero actual evidence that Trayvon's only response was to punch Zimmerman - yet you keep stating it as if it were established fact. It's not. It is your belief/opinion.

We do, however, have factual evidence that Zimmerman is a liar with a history of violent aggression. Given that, we have zero reason to believe Zimmerman's word that he only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing and/or that Trayvon's response was to punch Zimmerman. I do not believe it went down that way because it doesn't make logical sense, because Zimmerman is a known liar, and because Zimmerman has a documented history of violent aggression.

We are questioning where his rights ended. The problem for Martin in this case would be that he had no signs of being punched or detained so he would have to overcome that burden that he wasn't the one who started the fight. You want to present the fact that Zimmerman is violent though there is no signs that he threw a punch or even fought back against his assailant.

In all fairness, there weren't that many signs Zimmerman was in an altercation either. A little puffiness here and there, cuts on the back of his head from who knows what may have happened.

 

[Toni]

Zimmerman had a very weak case for killing an unarmed teen, but he got away with it, so I am not asking what a jury would have done. I am asking you to acknowledge that Trayvon had every right under Florida law to (1) stand his ground as opposed to run hom and hide as you expect him to do; and (2) defend himself against his assailant.

Moreover, you have zero actual evidence that Zimmerman only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing, and you have zero actual evidence that Trayvon's only response was to punch Zimmerman - yet you keep stating it as if it were established fact. It's not. It is your belief/opinion.

We do, however, have factual evidence that Zimmerman is a liar with a history of violent aggression. Given that, we have zero reason to believe Zimmerman's word that he only *asked* Trayvon what he was doing and/or that Trayvon's response was to punch Zimmerman. I do not believe it went down that way because it doesn't make logical sense, because Zimmerman is a known liar, and because Zimmerman has a documented history of violent aggression.

We are questioning where his rights ended. The problem for Martin in this case would be that he had no signs of being punched or detained so he would have to overcome that burden that he wasn't the one who started the fight. You want to present the fact that Zimmerman is violent though there is no signs that he threw a punch or even fought back against his assailant.

You mean, aside from firing a gun point blank into Martin's chest? Aside from that?

 

[RavenSky]

We are questioning where his rights ended. The problem for Martin in this case would be that he had no signs of being punched or detained so he would have to overcome that burden that he wasn't the one who started the fight.

In a "SYG" state you do not have to show signs of being punched or detained. You have to be in reasonable fear for your life and safety. Given that we know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Zimmerman went after Trayvon, followed him in a suspicious manner in his vehicle, proceeded to leave his vehicle to pursue on foot even after Trayvon did his best to evade Zimmerman, any reasonable person would grant that Trayvon had good reason to be in fear for his life/safety. We further know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Trayvon was talking on his cell phone when Zimmerman again appeared. That again, in context with what happened previously, would suggest to any reasonable person that Trayvon had a rational fear for his life/safety (not that Florida law even requires said fear to be rational). No matter how you slice it, in the State of Florida, Trayvon has no duty to retreat, and does not need to first be attacked/detained/punch before he defended himself for Zimmerman's pursuit.

And that still assumes your unsubstantiated belief that Trayvon struck first. I continue to maintain that all actual factual evidence suggests Zimmerman attacked first by trying to physically restrain Trayvon, thereby causing Trayvon to drop his phone and struggle to get away.

You want to present the fact that Zimmerman is violent though there is no signs that he threw a punch or even fought back against his assailant.

There are five other incidents (not including his killing of Trayvon Martin) showing Zimmerman is a violent aggressive person, and there are none showing Trayvon to be. I have never once claimed that Zimmerman "threw a punch" but Zimmerman sure as hell "fought back". He shot Trayvon dead!!! Moreover, Zimmerman's words on the 911 all, and all of his actions leading up to the violent act of shooting Trayvon were, indeed, aggressive and negate the claims that Zimmerman was not the aggressor in this case just like the other 5 we know about.

BTW, you calling Trayvon the "assailant" just shows your bias yet again. Trayvon was not an "assailant" and it is disgusting that you would use that word to refer to him as such. If you can't bring yourself to acknowledge that he was an innocent victim of Zimmerman's violent aggression, then just use the dead teenager's name next time instead of continuing this vicious slander.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And the difference being?

You can't tell the difference between culture and race???

No. Please tell us what the difference is.

Race = genetics.

Culture = ideas.

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Martin: He comes out of a culture where disagreements are often settled by violence.

Zimmerman: When you look at the circumstances of his charges they're basically jokes. He's been accused of domestic violence multiple times recently--yet he apparently still is allowed to have a gun which makes it clear those domestic violence charges went nowhere.

You think striking someone in the face and threatening them is a joke? You think throwing a cop up against a wall is a joke, or it's a joke if the guy is a bouncer ejecting someone for underage drinking?

Well, on the off chance you actually think so, please don't make the mistake of thinking the cops or the courts will agree. If you smack your wife in the face and threaten her, you will be in trouble with the law, and you will be facing a Restraining Order if she decides she doesn't want you near her. If you assault a cop, you will be charged with a felony, and if you don't make a deal with the Prosecution like Zimmerman did, you will find yourself in front of a judge who will no doubt tell you "This is not a joke".

I'm looking at the consequences--if things were as bad as it appears he wouldn't be allowed to have firearms. Thus reality isn't nearly as bad as it appears.

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He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And, remember, Zimmerman isn't white, either.

First of all Latino is a point of origin they can be white or dark.

Second WTF? Are you saying that those darkies are culturally unable to behave them selves?

Stormfront doesn't like Latinos.

 

[Mumbles]

He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And the difference being?

You can't tell the difference between culture and race???

No. Please tell us what the difference is.

Race = genetics.

Culture = ideas.

I'm leaving, so hopefully someone will walk you through your gross misunderstanding of race.

I'm looking at the consequences--if things were as bad as it appears he wouldn't be allowed to have firearms. Thus reality isn't nearly as bad as it appears.

Loren...him smashing his wife's iPad and then dropping into a fighting stance and making "bring it." hand gestures were caught on camera. His shoving his mistress out of her own house was caught on tape. His throwing a wine bottle was heard by two police who then investigated. These things all happened.