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7 Habits of Highly Affected Racialists

I'll bet if you really think about it you can come up with a plausible explanation of that exchange.

This isn't one.

All right. What was your reason for typing this?
Dude, I hate to be the one to tell you this but in all these threads about whiteness you count as one of the white people.

What was it you thought Davka didn't know, but should? What thing was it you "hated to tell him"? It wasn't that in your mind Athena was including him?

Please do explain why you wrote that, what you were thinking and what needed to be learned?

Well, let's see. We know a couple things. First, Athena made a broad and sweeping over-generalization about white people and whiteness. Second, Davka is a white person who seemed sympathetic to Athena's post but who also carried on as if the statement didn't apply to him.

What could have been my purpose in highlighting that?
 
If asking for precision and examples of your racial semi-theory yarns is your idea of "a silly semantic game", then "actually conversing" cannot be your goal. After all a demand that we "own up to who we really are" sounds about as "conversational" as a "confess your racist sins" tent evangelist.

You've gotten the examples. And, hilariously, called the sky green when reviewing them.

Reminder:

Athena DID NOT SAY "all whites" (dismal even admits this, eventually)
dismal pretends that she did
so that he can say "not all whites, (and Davka says so, too!)"
This is #6 under glass. Picture perfect. With a splash of "tu quoque" for bonus.

There is your example. Own it. It's hilariously perfect and unabashed.

Given that this thread has turned into a confused melee in a mud pool, its understandable for folks to have mistaken assumptions about other posters opinions. The Davaka, Dismal, Rhea, "etc." war over Athena's comments as "an example" is of no interest to me. This dust up started long before I entered this "conversation". What caught my eye was Davaka's comment on my (and others) 'semantic games' and 'failure to own up' (etc.).

When I entered the conversation I expected Davaka to converse - to defend his definitions and ideas, to provide substantive examples, to clarify his terms. Habitually he does not. If he has answered any of my point by point rebuttal, perhaps you will be good enough to point it out?
 
All right. What was your reason for typing this?
Dude, I hate to be the one to tell you this but in all these threads about whiteness you count as one of the white people.

What was it you thought Davka didn't know, but should? What thing was it you "hated to tell him"? It wasn't that in your mind Athena was including him?

Please do explain why you wrote that, what you were thinking and what needed to be learned?

Well, let's see. We know a couple things. First, Athena made a broad and sweeping over-generalization about white people and whiteness. Second, Davka is a white person who seemed sympathetic to Athena's post but who also carried on as if the statement didn't apply to him.

What could have been my purpose in highlighting that?

I cannot think of a single thing other than, "Athena said 'all whites!' and Davka said 'not all whites' and this shows they are both hypocrites and I have no comment on the actual topic."

If it's not that ^^ then what is it?

Because I cannot think of a single reason why you'd need to tell Davka he was part of Athena's group, since he obviously doesn't fit it.
 
When I entered the conversation I expected Davaka to converse - to defend his definitions and ideas, to provide substantive examples, to clarify his terms. Habitually he does not. If he has answered any of my point by point rebuttal, perhaps you will be good enough to point it out?

I went and looked at your posts. You asked only one question.
156, 171, 173, 194 no questions asked.

193 has a question – finally!
"And how do any of us "own up" to a mystery phantom residing mostly in your own mind?"

Well, if you are saying that you don't understand or accept a single thing he's said, what kind of response can anyone make?

max said:
Racism, as traditionally understood, is not much of a problem. In regards to race, people can buy homes where they want, eat where they wish, attend whatever college they qualify for, vote in any election, and stay at any public accommodation. All firms of any size are hyper sensitive to employment diversity numbers, promotions, and EOC policing. Much to the regret of the race hucksters, the days of Bull Conner and Lester Maddox are long gone. And not unlike the few reasoning voices in Salem, we try to 'deflect' the conversation away from the dangerous ground of the Devil's imagined wrongs and unto the "irrelevant facts of the case" that the accused are not witches, and burning them in the town square are not warranted. Yes, we do tend to ignore the "larger context" of institutionalized Satanism and other overwrought cult fears.




I think your view of how little racism exists may make a person just walk away. People who are black are still hindered from doing many of the things you list. But you think it isn't there. Examples have been given so many times that a person might say, "start all over at the beginning? If he never saw racism in any other place, what superpower do I have in opening his eyes?" and just walk away.

You deny any racism even exists. Oh, sorry, "not much of a problem."
What's even to say, really, to that?
 
Although the OP fails to present a single valid idea, it is useful in presenting a nice list of the various ways that race baiters and members of the "It's always racism" faith, try to dismiss the reasonable objections to those seeking to gain political leverage by using every instance in which a minority suffers a negative outcome as evidence for their narrative, no matter how much unreason is required to force-fit those instances into that narrative.

1. Rejecting and Mocking Accepted Sociological Terminology. Although the study of racism and racial bigotry has been part of the social sciences for decades, Highly Affected Racialists either studiously ignore the accepted terminology, or pretend not to understand it. An example of this is the word “racism” itself, which is defined as power plus racial bigotry. Highly Affected racialists either ignore this definition or call it “ludicrous,” in spite of the fact that, once understood, the concept is self-evident.1 This allows for the strengthening of another habit:


The above is rubbish pseudo-science that cherry picks a definition specific to areas of social science focused upon societal level group interactions and ignores the field of psychology where racism is typically defined as psychological processes that any and all persons are capable of no matter their skin color or political power. Amusingly, the race baiters seek to define racism, a clearly undesirable quality, in a manner that makes it something that only certain racial groups can possess, and is thus itself a racist definition of racism.


2. Accuse Minorities of Racism. This is a classic “tu quoque” argument, known on playgrounds across the nation as “well, you do it too!,” sometimes known as the :he hit me back first!” defense. This ignores the fact that racism cannot be practiced by powerless minorities against powerful minorities.1

This suffers from the same cherry-picked and non-psychological definition of racism as #1. In addition, it willfully distorts the actual context and motives within which racism by members of minority groups is referred to, mischaracterizing them as a mere attempt to excuse majority racism. To the contrary, such observations are generally made to point to the underlying psychological nature of racism and its roots within individual psychology. In addition, racism discussions nearly always are used to cast ethical judgment upon persons. Whether one happens to be a member of conceptual abstraction such as a racial group is outside of any actual thoughts or actions outside the persons control. Thus, power differentials related to those racial categories have zero bearing on any ethical issue. The ethics lies within the thoughts, words, and deeds of individuals over which they have some control. Thus, the ethics related to racism lie entirely within the psychological aspects of racism that the evidence from psychological science shows can and does occur within people within all abstract categories. Thus, any sensible or practical discussion of racism must deeply consider racism in terms of the psychological processes themselves and not solely in terms of group level power differentials. Failing to recognize the actual psychological and individual-level roots of all social phenomena is pervasive problem among naive and sadly too many supposedly "expert" sociological theorists. This ignorance of psychology is the cause of inane notions, such as that racism only exists and/or is only a problem in terms of group level power differentials


3. Racism Denial. Highly Affected Racialists assert often, loudly, and confidently that racism is no longer a problem, and therefore cannot be at the root of any social ills in America. Whenever anything newsworthy occurs which appears to be steeped in racism, characterize it as an isolated incident. Individual racists may be admitted to exist, but the institution of racism must be assumed to have vanished completely at some vague, indeterminate time between the assassination of MLK Jr. and the election of President Obama.
This is just a strawman perversion, and not a view remotely held by 99.9% of the people the OP is trying to defame. Their actual view is merely that not every single instance of any minority person having a negative outcome is due primarily to racism by the people with the most direct impact on that outcome. They need to point this obvious fact out, because race-baiters leap to a conclusion of such racism in specific instances without a shred of evidence or even in the face of strong evidence of other causal factors. This leap of faith only can be a bridge of reason if one starts with the premise that all negative outcome to all racial minorities are due to racism. Racism is not denied . What is denied is that racism is always the only plausible explanation for every negative outcome for minorities. Sadly, race baiters don't understand the difference between these arguments that are


4. Appeal to (pseudo)Science. The attempt to “prove” scientifically and/or logically that minority races are inherently inferior goes back as far as racism itself. Despite the fact that every single scientific justification for racism has been debunked numerous times, Highly Affected Racialists continue to return to this well, press-ganging genetics, statistics, and anthropology (among others) into the service of their bankrupt worldview.

Another strawman that applies to almost no one the OP is trying to defame. Of the thousands of posts challenging the "it's always racism" religion on these boards, somewhere between 0% to 1% say anything that implies that "minority races are inherently inferior". Such a misrepresentation is rooted in the demonstrated ignorance of the difference between an assertion of empirical fact and a proposed causal claim to explain those facts. What is actually asserted is typically empirically verified differences between specific sub-populations within larger racial groups (such as blacks and whites within the US), such as rates of criminal behavior or difference in general intellectual aptitudes, supported by science that is far more valid and rigorous the softest of the mush sort of post-modern politicized racial sociology that race-baiters put their faith in. Those differences in no way imply inherent or genetic differences and typically not differences at the level of racial groups but rather between sub-set of racial groups within particular contexts. The differences fully allow for the influence of contextual, historical, and cultural factors, but since those differences have causal impacts themselves on other outcome disparities, they often easily explain other outcome differences with greater scientific validity and support than presumption of racism by whites directly involved in that particular situation (e.g., cops, admissions boards, etc..). Since race baiters loathe the possibility that anything but the direct impact of racism could be responsible for any disparities, they irrationally deny factual empirical differences likely to produce disparities and misrepresent them as implying inherent genetic deficiencies in an effort to make emotional/moral appeals to reject these empirical realities.


5. Hyperfocus on Minutiae actual facts, evidence, logic, and reason. Whenever a newsworthy race-related atrocity hits the media, Highly Affected Racialists Critics of race baiters spring into action to deflect direct the conversation away from the dangerous ground of mindless emotional reactionary ideologies about societal wrongs, and onto the irrelevant “facts of the case.” This allows them to ignore attend to objective causes of the incidents rather than just the way that these incidents fit into the larger context ideological narrative of institutionalized racism, thus avoiding any allowing for potential learning opportunities. Instead of misrepresenting the actual incidents in order to fit that narrative talking about how White America interacts with the Darker Nation , honest and rational people can argue for hours, even days, about attend to the facts of the incident, such as whether the policeman in question has a history of racism; whether the dead or injured black male was acting in a threatening manner; whether the DNA in the lab fits the witness reports, and on and on. Having zero regard for facts and reasoned thought, race baiters ridicule focus on actual facts as "Hyperfocus on Minutiae"

#5 was close to being true and revealing the ideological objectives that create such a disdain for actual facts among race baiters. I just edited it a bit to make it accurate.


6. The “Not All X” Defense. This is another tactic for deflecting the conversation away from the very real problem of racism in America. Any time that widespread racism is brought up, the Highly Affected Racialist can be heard to say “that’s not fair, not all white people are racist,” or “not all police are racist,” or some similar sentiment. This is a strawman argument, since nobody is actually arguing that all of any group are racist. This technique can be found in other arguments by bigots, in forms such as “not all men are rapists.” “not all rich business owners are greedy assholes,” “not all conservatives are misogynists,” and so on.

Critics of Race Baiters are sadly sometimes forces to point out that not all X are racists, due to their inherent assumption underlying all race baiter arguments that all X are racists. Given the typical total lack of evidence that the people involved in an incident are racist and the typical evidence favoring other explanations, the race baiters insistence of racism as the explanation is highly irrational, unless they presume a priori that all X are racist and thus there is no need to have any evidence about that specific person. Explicitly pointng out the wrongness of such an assumption is valid method of exposing the irrationality of the race baiters arguments and conclusions.


7. Redefining Racism. This is an ironic habit, and one which many Highly Affected Racialists no doubt find hilarious. At the same time that the accepted sociological definition of racism is tossed aside as “too narrow” or simply “ludicrous,” Highly Affected racialists will tell you that, since they never ever use the “n-word,” and they don’t “hate” minorities, therefore they cannot be racists. Never mind that they regularly utilize every single one of these 7 habits; never mind that they ‘wouldn’t want their sister to marry one,” they don’t hate, tell racist jokes, or use slurs. All they want is to be left alone.


Like #1 and #2, this one is rooted in false claims about "the definition" of racism. In addition, it is another strawman inventing things that critics of race baiters "will tell you" and inventing feelings they have about their sister's mates.​
 
dismal seems quite personally affected by the OP, almost as if he thought it applied to him. :consternation1:

So, now everyone can see that instead of posting actual examples to support your point you resort to personal attacks.
 
dismal seems quite personally affected by the OP, almost as if he thought it applied to him. :consternation1:

So, now everyone can see that instead of posting actual examples to support your point you resort to personal attacks.

yes, dear, you can go join your little friends for a congratulatory circle-jerk now. Don't forget the KKK porn.
 
I went and looked at your posts. You asked only one question.
156, 171, 173, 194 no questions asked.

193 has a question – finally!

Your exasperated search for "questions" asked of Davka is rather odd, and irrelevant to my observation. I did not say I asked him questions, I said:

maxparrish said:
When I entered the conversation I expected Davaka to converse - to defend his definitions and ideas, to provide substantive examples, to clarify his terms. Habitually he does not. If he has answered any of my point by point rebuttal, perhaps you will be good enough to point it out?

Conversations can have, but do not require, questions but they do require an exchange of definitions, ideas, substantive examples, and rebuttals. As I stated, Davka has offered no answer (reply) to my point by point rebuttal. As you did not point out where he has done so, I assume you also have not seen a rebuttal to the points made.

"And how do any of us "own up" to a mystery phantom residing mostly in your own mind?"

Well, if you are saying that you don't understand or accept a single thing he's said, what kind of response can anyone make?

Its not a response "anyone can make", it is a response that only the person demanding we "own up" can supply. Apparently Davaka imagines a list of "sins" we need to "own up to". We cannot mind read witch hunters, nor do we have access to their "lingo" of amorphous jargon. To repeat "how do any of us own up to" a characterization residing solely within his mind? What are we expected to "own up" to? What evidence does he have of consorting with demons?

I think your view of how little racism exists may make a person just walk away. People who are black are still hindered from doing many of the things you list. But you think it isn't there. Examples have been given so many times that a person might say, "start all over at the beginning? If he never saw racism in any other place, what superpower do I have in opening his eyes?" and just walk away.

You deny any racism even exists. Oh, sorry, "not much of a problem."
What's even to say, really, to that?

You define racism. If I object you show me in error. You refute my empirical evidence and give me empirical evidence of substantive racism. Etc. Or you just declare the world is flat and walk away.

The first is a conversation. The second is denial. Your choice.
 
All right. What was your reason for typing this?
Dude, I hate to be the one to tell you this but in all these threads about whiteness you count as one of the white people.

What was it you thought Davka didn't know, but should? What thing was it you "hated to tell him"? It wasn't that in your mind Athena was including him?

Please do explain why you wrote that, what you were thinking and what needed to be learned?

Well, let's see. We know a couple things. First, Athena made a broad and sweeping over-generalization about white people and whiteness. Second, Davka is a white person who seemed sympathetic to Athena's post but who also carried on as if the statement didn't apply to him.

What could have been my purpose in highlighting that?

I cannot think of a single thing other than, "Athena said 'all whites!' and Davka said 'not all whites' and this shows they are both hypocrites and I have no comment on the actual topic."

If it's not that ^^ then what is it?

Because I cannot think of a single reason why you'd need to tell Davka he was part of Athena's group, since he obviously doesn't fit it.

I'm starting to think you don't bother to make any effort to understand what I actually say.

Do you recall that I have said on multiple occasions that Athena made a broad sweeping over-generalization about whites?

Well, here it is again with some new info to help you understanding along:

1) Athena made a broad sweeping generalization about whites
1a) Dismal reads Athena's broad sweeping over generalization about whites and thinks "wow, that's a broad sweeping over generalization about whites, can anyone actually be stupid enough to think that lack of support for UHC has something to do with a lack of melanin?"
2) Davka makes post sympathetic to Athena's post, fails to correlate the fact that although he himself his actually white and doesn't think any of what Athena said about whites applies to him, that Athena's post about whiteness may be a bunch of crap about stuff that has nothing to do with whiteness of the skin.
2a) Dismal reminds Davka that he is white, hoping it will trigger some thought on Davka's part along the lines of "hey, if these things Athena is saying about white people don't apply to me maybe they aren't things that have much to do with skin whiteness at all.
3) No evidence of self examination on Davka's part occurs.

Then just a few hours after Davka has carves himself out from Athena's thread about white people because Athena's thread about white people does not apply to All White People, Davka starts into a thread about how you can't say "Not All White People" unless you're a racialist.
 
Also, if a white guy says he has black friends, then that means he's probably racist. At least that's what I was told. I don't follow the logic in it, but I guess I go along with it...so that I don't seem racist myself. I guess you can put that up as #8 on your list.

No! That falls under number six.

There is one connection I don't think was adequately explored. That is the expropriative power of one's racism. That is the willingness to take something from another and use it as one's own on the basis of the other party being not of the right race to possess it. But then in a way, that is what all racism is about...selfishness and greed. The racism just provides the justification. Perhaps I am pointing more to a causative factor, but all too often this goes unnoticed due to the more obvious racial differences. That's the basis of slavery...then and now.
 
:hysterical:

You, sir, are a piece of work.

Examples to support your argument would be nice. We already know you can fling feces at people, and are not impressed.

You have demonstrated on this thread your willingness to lie, play word games, and weasel out of any semblance of honest discourse. You spent two whole pages pretending that you couldn't understand what a strawman argument is, because admitting it would have meant admitting your vicious little attack was baseless. Therefore, I give you YOUR POSTS on THIS THREAD as all the evidence anyone with eyeballs and a brain (and a dollop of intellectual honesty) will ever need.

I'm sure as fuck not going to waste any more of my time being civil with you, or attempting honest debate. Your behavior leaves me no rational, freethinking option other than the "point-and-laugh" approach.

Oh, and if it's not about you, you ain't got nothing to worry about. So why does the OP worry you so very much? :consternation1:
 
Also, if a white guy says he has black friends, then that means he's probably racist. At least that's what I was told. I don't follow the logic in it, but I guess I go along with it...so that I don't seem racist myself. I guess you can put that up as #8 on your list.

No! That falls under number six.

There is one connection I don't think was adequately explored. That is the expropriative power of one's racism. That is the willingness to take something from another and use it as one's own on the basis of the other party being not of the right race to possess it. But then in a way, that is what all racism is about...selfishness and greed. The racism just provides the justification. Perhaps I am pointing more to a causative factor, but all too often this goes unnoticed due to the more obvious racial differences. That's the basis of slavery...then and now.

How much actual cultural expropriation is still going on? Sure, Elvis stole Rock 'n' Roll, and everyone ripped off Jazz, but since then it seems that most adoption of black culture has included an openness about where it came from. Surely nobody was playing funk in the 70s and pretending it was originally a white thing?

Or am I missing your point?
 
Also, if a white guy says he has black friends, then that means he's probably racist. At least that's what I was told. I don't follow the logic in it, but I guess I go along with it...so that I don't seem racist myself. I guess you can put that up as #8 on your list.

No! That falls under number six.

There is one connection I don't think was adequately explored. That is the expropriative power of one's racism. That is the willingness to take something from another and use it as one's own on the basis of the other party being not of the right race to possess it. But then in a way, that is what all racism is about...selfishness and greed. The racism just provides the justification. Perhaps I am pointing more to a causative factor, but all too often this goes unnoticed due to the more obvious racial differences. That's the basis of slavery...then and now.

I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are there "right" races to possess things? Are you talking about cultural "appropriation" trends like white people eating with chopsticks? Are you talking about racist hesitations to want to be seen like people who are other races?
 
Dismal seems to think we are posting our comments because we are just a lot of rabble disappointed because our welfare checks from the rich are not big enough. He refuses to admit there is such a thing as racism and this fine country came into being because the American (white) people were especially perceptive and wise. He appears to have a Republican agenda of locking things in place so social change cannot occur. He could easily change his moniker from "dismal" to "stasis."

In a way, dismal performs a function here, providing a con argument for every suggestion of social change and every recognition of social or environmental problems.
 
Davka said:
dismal seems quite personally affected by the OP, almost as if he thought it applied to him.
What a repulsive rhetorical tactic. If you don't care to defend your position just say so instead of insulting people. Are you just trying to goad people in this thread? Do you stand behind your list or not? If you do, how about you start answering some questions and explaining your position? It's the intellectually honest thing to do.
 
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