Climate Change(d)?

[skepticalbip]

When you went west in the 19th century when you ran out of water you died. If a drought dragged on farms dried up and towns bwecame ghost towns.

LEO and lunar orbiting space stations are being planned. Our priorities are all wrong.

Not just the 19th century. It is claimed that a severe drought in the 1500s either killed off or drove the Anasazi out of the southwest. Then the 'dust bowl' of 1930s is another example of severe drought in the U.S. west that drove many out of areas like Oklahoma. There were quite likely other serious droughts in the past that we just don't know about.

 

[steve_bank]

We are not learning from our history, maybe more like we are ignoring it.

Dust Bowl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Dust Bowl was a period of severe dust storms that greatly damaged the ecology and agriculture of the American and Canadian prairies during the 1930s; severe drought and a failure to apply dryland farming methods to prevent the aeolian processes (wind erosion) caused the phenomenon.[1][2] The drought came in three waves: 1934, 1936, and 1939–1940, but some regions of the High Plains experienced drought conditions for as many as eight years.[3]

The Dust Bowl has been the subject of many cultural works, notably the novel The Grapes of Wrath (1939) by John Steinbeck, the folk music of Woody Guthrie, and photographs depicting the conditions of migrants by Dorothea Lange, particularly the Migrant Mother.

With insufficient understanding of the ecology of the plains, farmers had conducted extensive deep plowing of the virgin topsoil of the Great Plains during the previous decade; this had displaced the native, deep-rooted grasses that normally trapped soil and moisture even during periods of drought and high winds. The rapid mechanization of farm equipment, especially small gasoline tractors, and widespread use of the combine harvester contributed to farmers' decisions to convert arid grassland (much of which received no more than 10 inches (250 mm) of precipitation per year) to cultivated cropland.[4] During the drought of the 1930s, the unanchored soil turned to dust, which the prevailing winds blew away in huge clouds that sometimes blackened the sky. These choking billows of dust – named "black blizzards" or "black rollers" – traveled cross country, reaching as far as the East Coast and striking such cities as New York City and Washington, D.C. On the plains, they often reduced visibility to three feet (1 m) or less. Associated Press reporter Robert E. Geiger happened to be in Boise City, Oklahoma, to witness the "Black Sunday" black blizzards of April 14, 1935; Edward Stanley, the Kansas City news editor of the Associated Press, coined the term "Dust Bowl" while rewriting Geiger's news story.[5][6]

 

[skepticalbip]

We are not learning from our history, maybe more like we are ignoring it.

It could be that we do not learn but I think more likely it is that people who use fear rather than reason to make arguments simply ignore history and argue that "this has never happened before so we are all going to die."

 

[TSwizzle]

Al Gore, not only a religious extremist but a weapons grade dick;

In a Meet The Press interview that will air on Sunday, Gore told Chuck Todd: 'You know the climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those almost 400 law enforcement officers in Uvalde, Texas, who were waiting outside an unlocked door while the children were being massacred.Gore added: 'They heard the screams, they heard the gunshots and nobody stepped forward.'

Daily Mail

A rapture like cult.

 

[pood]

Al Gore, not only a religious extremist but a weapons grade dick;

In a Meet The Press interview that will air on Sunday, Gore told Chuck Todd: 'You know the climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those almost 400 law enforcement officers in Uvalde, Texas, who were waiting outside an unlocked door while the children were being massacred.Gore added: 'They heard the screams, they heard the gunshots and nobody stepped forward.'

Daily Mail

A rapture like cult.

You’re right, climate change denialists are a cult.

Were you goiing to address my demonstration that your claim that all climate-change forecasts in the past have proven to be false is itself false?

 

[TSwizzle]

cultists get removed from road;

Tour de France fans took matters into their own hands yesterday as they angrily removed a gang of eco-protesters threatening to disrupt the historic bike race by sitting in the middle of the road to block oncoming riders. Eight climate activists from French campaign group Dernière Rénovation (Last Renovation) sporting T-shirts emblazoned with the message 'we have 978 days left' to tackle environmental decline tried to stop the race during the 20th stage between Lacapelle-Marival and Rocamadouron on Saturday. But their attempts to wreak havoc at the stage were thwarted by spectators, who stormed onto the road and dragged them out of the path of the oncoming bikes even before the police arrived on the scene to make arrests.

Daily Mail

 

[Elixir]

…people who use fear rather than reason to make arguments simply ignore history and argue that "this has never happened before so we are all going to die."

In defense of people who use fear rather than reason, literally nothing that happens today has ever happened before, and we all ARE going to die.

 

[steve_bank]

Is that you making me hot sweetie, or is it just global warming?

Everything is connected. Listened to a show on how green bio fuels are.

Corn was incentivized to shift to ethanol production. Supply of food corn went down, price of corn exported to Mexico went up, cost of the Mexican taco staple went up.

Ethanol gas can have a much lower carbon footprint if the land is already in use for farming. In Brazi forests were cut down to grow cirn yielding a higher total carbon footprint over raw gasoline.


The point being not enough people are consciously aware that we a re part of a complex ecosystem not apart fom or above it.

I think pat of it is the Chrsitian narrative derived from Genesis that god created the Earth for humans to poplate and consume.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Al Gore, not only a religious extremist but a weapons grade dick;

In a Meet The Press interview that will air on Sunday, Gore told Chuck Todd: 'You know the climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those almost 400 law enforcement officers in Uvalde, Texas, who were waiting outside an unlocked door while the children were being massacred.Gore added: 'They heard the screams, they heard the gunshots and nobody stepped forward.'

Daily Mail

A rapture like cult.

Projection at work. You're the cultist.

 

[Swammerdami]

Yahoo seems to think it was hot yesterday: Have they gone over to the other side? For those of us tired of Islamo-Maoist-Illuminati-AOC lies, can Truth Social — or their spokesman here — fill us in on the TRUE™ temperatures?

The leftist-alleged heat is affecting the center and the west . . .

the NWS said that 85 million Americans were under excessive heat warnings and heat advisories on Sunday. In the U.S., heat kills more people annually than any other type of weather event.

“Stifling heat is also on tap from central Kansas and Oklahoma to the Middle Mississippi Valley, where a large swath of heat advisories and a few excessive heat warnings are in place,” said the NWS.

Temperatures could soar to 111 degrees in parts of Oklahoma, including Tulsa, and thermometers could hit the hundreds in Las Vegas, and multiple cities in Texas.

Southern and Western states have been hit particularly hard with flash droughts. According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, more than 63.2% of the country is currently “abnormally dry,” affecting cattle and crop produce.

. . . but also the Northeast:

“Numerous record highs are forecast to be tied and/or broken today in the Northeast,” the National Weather Service said in a bulletin Sunday of the heat wave that is expected to last through Tuesday. Taking humidity into account, the bulletin said that the mercury could hit 105 to 110 degrees Fahrenheit.

Nitpick: I think I understand the notion that humid heat feels hotter than dry heat. But does this humidity actually affect the mercury "hittings"?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

When you went west in the 19th century when you ran out of water you died. If a drought dragged on farms dried up and towns bwecame ghost towns.

LEO and lunar orbiting space stations are being planned. Our priorities are all wrong.

Not just the 19th century. It is claimed that a severe drought in the 1500s either killed off or drove the Anasazi out of the southwest. Then the 'dust bowl' of 1930s is another example of severe drought in the U.S. west that drove many out of areas like Oklahoma. There were quite likely other serious droughts in the past that we just don't know about.

We know that the "Dust Bowl" was brought on by crap agricultural processes that led to a feedback loop, a localized man made climate change.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yahoo seems to think it was hot yesterday: Have they gone over to the other side? For those of us tired of Islamo-Maoist-Illuminati-AOC lies, can Truth Social — or their spokesman here — fill us in on the TRUE™ temperatures?

The leftist-alleged heat is affecting the center and the west . . .

the NWS said that 85 million Americans were under excessive heat warnings and heat advisories on Sunday. In the U.S., heat kills more people annually than any other type of weather event.

“Stifling heat is also on tap from central Kansas and Oklahoma to the Middle Mississippi Valley, where a large swath of heat advisories and a few excessive heat warnings are in place,” said the NWS.

Temperatures could soar to 111 degrees in parts of Oklahoma, including Tulsa, and thermometers could hit the hundreds in Las Vegas, and multiple cities in Texas.

Southern and Western states have been hit particularly hard with flash droughts. According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, more than 63.2% of the country is currently “abnormally dry,” affecting cattle and crop produce.

. . . but also the Northeast:

“Numerous record highs are forecast to be tied and/or broken today in the Northeast,” the National Weather Service said in a bulletin Sunday of the heat wave that is expected to last through Tuesday. Taking humidity into account, the bulletin said that the mercury could hit 105 to 110 degrees Fahrenheit.

Nitpick: I think I understand the notion that humid heat feels hotter than dry heat. But does this humidity actually affect the mercury "hittings"?

It doesn't impact the thermometer. It impacts the body, much like the "wind chill". It is an effective temperature.

 

[Swammerdami]

In other words, the NWS or, more likely, some "science editor" (Yahoo's?) FLUNKED.

 

[steve_bank]

As humidity goes up the cooling effect of sweat becomes less effective. It feels hotter. Sweat cools you by evaporation.

When the wind is blowing it lowers the thermal resistance from your body to air, it feels colder.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In other words, the NWS or, more likely, some "science editor" (Yahoo's?) FLUNKED.

Not at all.

Again, these are effective temps. If it is zero outside and there is a 15 mph wind, there is an effective air temperature that represents to our skin (-32 degrees F). It isn't actually -32 degree outside, it is 0 degrees with 15 mph winds, which to your body is like -32 degrees.

Same thing going the other way with high temps and humidity.

Think of it like a vector instead of merely being scalar.

 

[skepticalbip]

When you went west in the 19th century when you ran out of water you died. If a drought dragged on farms dried up and towns bwecame ghost towns.

LEO and lunar orbiting space stations are being planned. Our priorities are all wrong.

Not just the 19th century. It is claimed that a severe drought in the 1500s either killed off or drove the Anasazi out of the southwest. Then the 'dust bowl' of 1930s is another example of severe drought in the U.S. west that drove many out of areas like Oklahoma. There were quite likely other serious droughts in the past that we just don't know about.

We know that the "Dust Bowl" was brought on by crap agricultural processes that led to a feedback loop, a localized man made climate change.

Who is this "we"?

Poor farming practices deteriated the soil. The drought was the result of a many years long lack of rain. The drought can be blamed on a lot of things like the multi-decadal Atlantic oscillation, El Nino, etc. etc. but not plows.

 

[bilby]

Yahoo seems to think it was hot yesterday: Have they gone over to the other side? For those of us tired of Islamo-Maoist-Illuminati-AOC lies, can Truth Social — or their spokesman here — fill us in on the TRUE™ temperatures?

The leftist-alleged heat is affecting the center and the west . . .

the NWS said that 85 million Americans were under excessive heat warnings and heat advisories on Sunday. In the U.S., heat kills more people annually than any other type of weather event.

“Stifling heat is also on tap from central Kansas and Oklahoma to the Middle Mississippi Valley, where a large swath of heat advisories and a few excessive heat warnings are in place,” said the NWS.

Temperatures could soar to 111 degrees in parts of Oklahoma, including Tulsa, and thermometers could hit the hundreds in Las Vegas, and multiple cities in Texas.

Southern and Western states have been hit particularly hard with flash droughts. According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, more than 63.2% of the country is currently “abnormally dry,” affecting cattle and crop produce.

. . . but also the Northeast:

“Numerous record highs are forecast to be tied and/or broken today in the Northeast,” the National Weather Service said in a bulletin Sunday of the heat wave that is expected to last through Tuesday. Taking humidity into account, the bulletin said that the mercury could hit 105 to 110 degrees Fahrenheit.

Nitpick: I think I understand the notion that humid heat feels hotter than dry heat. But does this humidity actually affect the mercury "hittings"?

It doesn't impact the thermometer. It impacts the body, much like the "wind chill". It is an effective temperature.

Yeah, human beings (unlike thermometers) can't actually detect temperature.

We can, however, detect our rate of heat loss. Too much heat loss feels 'cold'; Too little feels 'hot'. Both trigger physiological changes that act to prevent heat loss from moving outside the survivable range; And outside that range, the feeling of 'hot' or 'cold' can cease - hypothermia victims describe the feeling of being cold going away as they succumb to it.

 

[steve_bank]

'We' is all of us except you.

 

[Elixir]

From FB:

“I'm so glad it's not snowing...imagine shovelling snow in this heat!”

 

[Swammerdami]

In other words, the NWS or, more likely, some "science editor" (Yahoo's?) FLUNKED.

Not at all.

Again, these are effective temps. If it is zero outside and there is a 15 mph wind, there is an effective air temperature that represents to our skin (-32 degrees F). It isn't actually -32 degree outside, it is 0 degrees with 15 mph winds, which to your body is like -32 degrees.

Same thing going the other way with high temps and humidity.

Think of it like a vector instead of merely being scalar.

You're missing my point. Yahoo's science editor did NOT write "The effective temperature was 110." He wrote "the mercury hit 110." I understand this is intended as "colorful idiom" but . . . from a SCIENCE editor?? There really are mercury thermometers and they do NOT respond to humidity.